A Vocal Coach about Jon's Voice Decline

Gabriel Shoes · #31 03-08-2017, 12:41 AM

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Walleris · #32 03-08-2017, 04:28 PM

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In this case I think it's interesting what Olli (lead singer of Bounce) told me about the BJ songs. Since he has a quite wide range, he said that the 80's songs are not really challenging in terms of singing, not even LOAP. He told me that Jon really upped his game vocally with KTF and TD and that In These Arms in its original key is the hardest song for him to sing, in fact much harder than the key change in LOAP.

Nice insight!

Although perhaps not that surprising, considering Jon didn't touch the original key even in 1992. And that final "baaaby" has to be the highest note Jon has ever recorded, right? I don't think even Santa Fe or key change in Always demo touch it. Olli is such a bad ass to be able to pull it off in original key!

BTW, have you ever talked with Olli about Jon's vocal decline and why this could have happened? You can tell by Bounce's performances that they have studied Bon Jovi, not only studio, but live as well as he repeats some of Jon's live ad-libs; so I'm sure he's aware of Jon's voice nowadays.

Jeeper · #33 03-08-2017, 06:32 PM

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Nice insight!

Although perhaps not that surprising, considering Jon didn't touch the original key even in 1992. And that final "baaaby" has to be the highest note Jon has ever recorded, right? I don't think even Santa Fe or key change in Always demo touch it. Olli is such a bad ass to be able to pull it off in original key!

BTW, have you ever talked with Olli about Jon's vocal decline and why this could have happened? You can tell by Bounce's performances that they have studied Bon Jovi, not only studio, but live as well as he repeats some of Jon's live ad-libs; so I'm sure he's aware of Jon's voice nowadays.

The "baby" part of ITA isn't the highest note he's recorded. The key change in prayer IS higher. The screams on Living In Sin, Let's Make It baby are higher too. There's a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

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CLEYoungGun21 · #34 03-08-2017, 08:19 PM

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The "baby" part of ITA isn't the highest note he's recorded. The key change in prayer IS higher. The screams on Living In Sin, Let's Make It baby are higher too. There's a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

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The classic high notes in Runaway

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Gabriel Shoes · #35 03-08-2017, 09:04 PM

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The "baby" part of ITA isn't the highest note he's recorded. The key change in prayer IS higher. The screams on Living In Sin, Let's Make It baby are higher too. There's a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

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From all the Bon Jovi songs I tried to sing, ITA was the hardest one for my voice.

Maybe others will can handle easier, i guess it depends on the type of voice. This Ain't A Love Song is really hard too, I remember seeing Lakisha Jones destroying on American Idol singing this song and you could notice how easy for her was.

Also, we know Jon is a liar but he says on the AL that "i'm glad that she have found this track. It's a soul singer's song".

In fact, in 1995 he said just that: " this song is for a r&b singer, someone much better than me".

Eveline · #36 03-08-2017, 09:23 PM

You just realize how good Jon was (is?) when other artists try to cover these songs. And doubled by Richie's voice they're just out of this world!

Jeeper · #37 03-08-2017, 09:26 PM

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From all the Bon Jovi songs I tried to sing, ITA was the hardest one for my voice.

Maybe others will can handle easier, i guess it depends on the type of voice. This Ain't A Love Song is really hard too, I remember seeing Lakisha Jones destroying on American Idol singing this song and you could notice how easy for her was.

Also, we know Jon is a liar but he says on the AL that "i'm glad that she have found this track. It's a soul singer's song".

In fact, in 1995 he said just that: " this song is for a r&b singer, someone much better than me".

Undoubtably ITA isn't an easy song to sing. I'm sure the "baby" note is a C#5 - in which case it's not as high as parts of several other songs.

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Walleris · #38 03-09-2017, 03:11 AM

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The "baby" part of ITA isn't the highest note he's recorded. The key change in prayer IS higher. The screams on Living In Sin, Let's Make It baby are higher too. There's a few more I can't think of off the top of my head.

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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I meant the highest singing note, not sreaming. I don't think the screaming notes (e.g. Living In Sin, Let's Make It Baby or Runaway) should count, because they don't require the same chest voice, it's just screechy falsetto of some sorts I believe. You don't really need to have a high vocal range to pull of those screams.

Off the songs you mentioned, I believe the only proper chest singing was in Prayer, so I compared it against ITA. I don't have any musical education to tell the exact notes, but Prayer does seem higher to my ears, so my bad then

Jeeper · #39 03-09-2017, 09:34 PM

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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I meant the highest singing note, not sreaming. I don't think the screaming notes (e.g. Living In Sin, Let's Make It Baby or Runaway) should count, because they don't require the same chest voice, it's just screechy falsetto of some sorts I believe. You don't really need to have a high vocal range to pull of those screams.

Off the songs you mentioned, I believe the only proper chest singing was in Prayer, so I compared it against ITA. I don't have any musical education to tell the exact notes, but Prayer does seem higher to my ears, so my bad then

Yeah, I understand what you mean.

I think there's a few songs with a similar sung note to the "baby" part in ITA.

I think the last "goodbye" in NSG is v similar. I'm sure there's parts in BOR too.

Then you've songs like If I Was Your Mother & Save A Prayer which have similar (if not higher) notes.

The key change in LOAP is definitely higher. The vocal only mix is spectacular. It's clearly layered with multiple takes, but Jon's voice is stunning.

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Eveline · #40 03-23-2017, 08:17 AM

I've said once or twice that what was so good about BJ was the blend of two voices: Jon's and Richie's. Actually such a good blend that the obvious struggles of Jon's throat went almost unnoticeable to many. I guess I'm not alone in that opinion.

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That's good and all, but the fact is the band needs Sambora. His replacement, Phil X, is an outstanding guitarist with a nonpareil reputation as a session man. But there's just some flash missing . . . or so it seems. It wasn't a lack of effort, nor was it an absence of talent; that was clear during a blistering solo in "Keep the Faith.''

Maybe it just seemed something was missing because Bon Jovi's powerful raspy voice has become Bon Jovi's not-so-powerful almost whispery voice - not a good thing for a man who is known as the creator of the arena rock anthem. Rather than rich and full, Bon Jovi's vocals seemed almost hushed and clipped, with a tendency to strain and stray from the key when he sustains a note.

It makes me wonder if the same was true when I reviewed the 2013 show, and I just failed to notice it because Sambora, who has a stage presence almost as grandiose as Bon Jovi's, was able to offer a musical misdirection, like some ax-shredding magician.

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