[Walleris]

Originally Posted by Thomas S

Why is this set better than the others? It's literally the same vanilla set-list but without some songs.

90 minutes is certainly not enough, not for a band of this calibre, at a stage in their careers where an expensive ticket can't be justified by amazing performance. What Jon lacks in vocal ability he should be making up for in set-length and variety.

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[Savvi]

Originally Posted by Bounce7800

If they were going to chop half the set list, that was the wrong half to chop!

Too right! haha. My obvious guess is that Jon thought he was capable of doing the entire show. It wasn't until after Runaway where he stopped and told the crowd that he was sick and singing like shit. So it's safe to assume that from THINFS-Runaway was planned, then from WGIGO onwards was Jon doing what he could before he couldn't do any more.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Thomas S

Why is this set better than the others? It's literally the same vanilla set-list but without some songs.

90 minutes is certainly not enough, not for a band of this calibre, at a stage in their careers where an expensive ticket can't be justified by amazing performance. What Jon lacks in vocal ability he should be making up for in set-length and variety.

The setlist is way better than others because it has way better flow and not that dreaded 4 THINFS song snoozefest in a row. The only lull in this set is tracks 4 to 7, and even then those aren't that bad.

That set of songs from track 8 to 16 have a killer order and flow, and seem to build on top of each other.

I would rather have 16 songs done well (which in this case they weren't due to being sick) than 23 songs with huge lulls.

Check out the KTF tour setlists. Amazing shows, only 16-17 songs.

[Lucky0003]

Originally Posted by Walleris

Jon probably thinks he's a "fighter" for doing this show despite not being able to sing, but he's an idiot.

Singers get sick and cancel shows all the time. It's no big deal. Just postpone it a few weeks, apologise on social media and move on. Yeah, you lose a few bucks due to logistical reasons, but you could at least protect your instrument that earns you those big bucks. But no, Jon is so tough he never cancels shows...

It's decisions like this that ****ed up his voice in 1986, 2003 and 2013 and the dude still hasn't learned his lesson.


Yes, and these are exactly the decisions I'm talking about. Drives me nuts how little he cares about how he sounds long-term.

I totally agree. I think he could have caused even more damage to his voice by singing with a sore throat last night. It certainly doesn't help.

I'm amazed at how he hasn't protected his voice - his main instrument, money maker - at all costs through the years. I'd rather he cancel than damage his voice more and we lose him from the stage even sooner.

I'm friends with a man who became a successful country music singer on a national level. He's Jon's age and did the same thing by pushing himself until he finally learned that he has to take care of his voice - the only one he's got - or it's all over. He finally took time off to let his cords heal and was treated by a doctor at Vanderbilt. And country is easier on the voice than Jon's 80's rock screams.

I bet Jon's wife just wants to shoot him for continuously pushing it. Or she's just given up by now because she's seen him doing it for decades!




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[JerseyGiant]

Bring on the vid of DB doing Prayer!

[symbeline]

True, we care and see what performing while sick can do to his voice and we'd probably be very understanding if he cancelled our show for that reason. But we are the minority of fans.

The vast majority are not going to appreciate being screwed up at the last minute and losing their travel tickets, hotel reservations, etc. Those are the fans that would take social media by storm to bitch very vocally. The last thing they need after last show's debacle is another shitstorm tbh. In fact I've seen people say "now that Jon has been caught lipsyncing and can't do it again he's all of a sudden sick, how convenient". Imagine if they had cancelled...

This is really a damned if the do, damned if they don't situation so Jon honored their reputation as a hardworking band that never cancels unless something unavoidable forces them (I know we can discuss a few suspiciously re-scheduled shows that were selling poorly, but overall that's what they do)

[kenobi_on_a_prayer]

Originally Posted by symbeline

True, we care and see what performing while sick can do to his voice and we'd probably be very understanding if he cancelled our show for that reason. But we are the minority of fans.

The vast majority are not going to appreciate being screwed up at the last minute and losing their travel tickets, hotel reservations, etc. Those are the fans that would take social media by storm to bitch very vocally. The last thing they need after last show's debacle is another shitstorm tbh. In fact I've seen people say "now that Jon has been caught lipsyncing and can't do it again he's all of a sudden sick, how convenient". Imagine if they had cancelled...

This is really a damned if the do, damned if they don't situation so Jon honored their reputation as a hardworking band that never cancels unless something unavoidable forces them (I know we can discuss a few suspiciously re-scheduled shows that were selling poorly, but overall that's what they do)

I was thinking about that. Had that scandal not occurred at the previous show, I would probably be saying they should cancel. But he had more to try to prove tonight.

I'm concerned that he's been sick for days though. I had an apparent cold back in November that turned into laryngitis that lasted a month (My vocal coach friend told me I should've gone to a doctor but I'm stubborn/stupid like that.)

[symbeline]

Originally Posted by Panda

The setlist is way better than others because it has way better flow and not that dreaded 4 THINFS song snoozefest in a row. The only lull in this set is tracks 4 to 7, and even then those aren't that bad.

That set of songs from track 8 to 16 have a killer order and flow, and seem to build on top of each other.

I would rather have 16 songs done well (which in this case they weren't due to being sick) than 23 songs with huge lulls.

Check out the KTF tour setlists. Amazing shows, only 16-17 songs.

I absolutely agree, but you are comparing apples to oranges really. That KTF average setlist is truly a Greatest Hits setlist from the era. They had 2 monster albums full of hits, a Golden Globe winner (solo) song and a fairly succesful new album. Of course it's going to be a killer setlist!

The point is that setlist had an average of 1/3 KTF songs. They were not touring their biggest albums, they were touring their current album. That's what they've been doing since then and this is why I respect them, if they had kept that KFT-Crossroad basic setlist and just added the single for every new album they'd have very quickly become a nostalgia band and they didn't have the star power in the 90s to survive by touring the world every 5 years the same tired 80s hits. They would have probably be forgotten by now. That's in fact what has happened since they started ditching anything older than the current album at the beginning of every tour and almost all the new songs after like five shows. They could tour that KTF setlist and probably have decent numbers, but not every two years and not if they expected to be the no1 billboard touring act, that's for sure.

I'd rather have them believe in the albums and make an effort to include everything. And I don't care about 90% of the LH-TC-WAN songs and wouldn't mind if they never play them again!! But it doesn't make any sense to tell people your new album is your best and forget about it the minute is released. I know that TC and specially WAN was them throwing a bunch of songs together to have an excuse to tour without being labeled a nostalgia act, and I certainly didn't pretend that it didn't matter, I didn't even buy the albums! I didn't buy tickets or go to the shows! (and I was offered tickets for their 2013 show for free) but now I'd appreciate if they included anything from Bounce to WAN in this tour. The albums matter and it's a little bit insulting to your old fans to pretend that only the hits exist and only pander to the casuals while proclaiming "we are not a nostalgia act" every tour.

[jovifan93]

Originally Posted by symbeline

I'd rather have them believe in the albums and make an effort to include everything. And I don't care about 90% of the LH-TC-WAN songs and wouldn't mind if they never play them again!! But it doesn't make any sense to tell people your new album is your best and forget about it the minute is released. I know that TC and specially WAN was them throwing a bunch of songs together to have an excuse to tour without being labeled a nostalgia act, and I certainly didn't pretend that it didn't matter, I didn't even buy the albums! I didn't buy tickets or go to the shows! (and I was offered tickets for their 2013 show for free) but now I'd appreciate if they included anything from Bounce to WAN in this tour. The albums matter and it's a little bit insulting to your old fans to pretend that only the hits exist and only pander to the casuals while proclaiming "we are not a nostalgia act" every tour.

Well, first of all I strongly disagree about TC being just a bunch of songs thrown together. Even WAN isn't. It's very formulaic in parts and not as organic as TC, but still not just a bunch of songs. That's what they did with BB, and I'm glad they picked good songs for the most part.

Why you didn't go to the show you were offered a free ticket for is beyond me (unless you couldn't go), but that's something you've missed, not me.

The problem with the set list is that there's a number of hits that *have* to be played, some semi-hits that are fan favorites (at least in Jon's book), and some songs Jon genuinely believes in (like LH, Born To Follow, Working Man, etc.). Combine that with 4-6 new songs, and you have your setlist. Could they rotate 2-3 songs? Sure. At least they do rotate 1 from time time. Not what we'd hope for, but better than nothing.

And while some songs have been the same since the LH tour, by including more than 1-2 new songs, it's hardly nostalgia, it's just that songs like Wanted, Prayer, IML, etc. have to be played. There's no way around it...

[Denmad]

3 last songs:
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRKZPlpELzJB

Prayer cuts out during the 1st verse...