The Official April 24, 2018, PNC Arena, Raleigh, NC, U.S.A. Thread

I have to agree. We all have off days but make a damn effort. If his voice is the issue, why not give David a song? Tumblin’ Dice always sounded fantastic.


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Just got home from Raleigh! Show was definitely not up to Charlotte or Atlanta’s standards. After seeing all 3, Charlotte was a damn great show, Atlanta was a great show, tonight was a good show. The band really rushed through the show tonight it felt like and the encore was disappointingly short. Was glad to hear Because We Can (don’t banish me pls!) knockout and Blood on blood. With the way the Setlists have been this tour I was definitely not expecting 3 different songs at each of the 3 shows I saw this week. Hate to beat a dead horse, but it was really hard to notice about Jon’s vocal issues at these shows... the lady next to me at the end asked “he isn’t going to play blaze of glory?” I said “no, I don’t think he can really do it anymore with his voice” to which she responded “what’s wrong with his voice?”... Can’t wait for my last show next week in Philly! Anyway, setlist tonight was

THINFS
Knockout
Bad Name
WLOL
LH
BTBMB
Who says
IML
WWBTF
BWC
WGIGO
KTF
AMEN
BOR
LYHOM
SLEEP
BOB
BAD MED

WANTED
PRAYER

I think the album sucks, and is just as bad as what about now. But that's not the point - the only song that works live is the title track. I don't like We Got It Going On, but I've been to 18 shows in seven countries - and the song just works live. None of these new songs work, nor do they sound good. The audience just doens't care, and that's why they're showing up less and less in the setlist.

The album isn’t that bad.. I actually like it much more with the bonus tracks added in. But I saw Rollercoaster live twice last year and the US crowds actually seemed to really enjoy it, absolutely no reason for it to be left out now.

As far as the setlist goes, they just need another hit in the first 5. Bad name is great and people can handle THINFS because the show is just starting, but the second song whether it be knockout or we don’t run everyone sits. After Bad name the crowd sits for WLOL and LH. Should really bring back in Saturday night and play it early. Just something with some energy. But I still loved these shows. Tonight was #14 for me since 2003 and Charlotte is honestly in my top 5 or 6 favorite Bon Jovi shows.

I disagree. Knockout and GBTM both went over well last month. I also disagree about the album. I think it's much better than WAN.

WAN is good when you take out the crap and theres a lot of it.
THINFS bar 3 songs is utter crap.
Not played it for over a year and have no intention to anytime soon.
But thats me.

Yeah, personal taste is not key there. I agree about WGIGO that it works live. Maybe if Jon tried shaking his ass on moving platforms during a different song that one would work as well back to my thought - I just think that when you promote an album, you should play the songs from it. If the set is about 2h 15mins long, six new songs is not that much. Considering that you open with two, it leaves four spots during the rest of the setlist. One more or two that get played constantly (Roller Coaster - it worked, has hit potential, got a bit of airplay last year, current single WWWU or Walls this time) and two that you rotate and just choose random two songs from the new album. If you find out that some songs don't work live, don't use them next tour. Apart from the new albums, play only what works live and what people need to hear.

I can speak only for Europe, but LH or WLOL don't work live. I went once with my parents to a BJ show and that's why we took seats instead of GA. With the first note of intro, the stadium stood up, once LH started people looked around with faces like "WTF is this?" and sat down. WLOL is even more boring. There's no need to play those songs every show. I agree about WGIGO but even that song can be rotated with another "fun" "party" song like Sleep.

Amen, why Amen?? Because Jon thinks he wrote another Hallelujah? I'm afraid that Amen wasn't played that much in 2013 that is now. It's a matter of personal taste again, I just think the song sucks and really nobody cares for it, it wasn't a hit, only people clap when Jon goes for the long note. Why isn't there Scars on This Guitar? Much better song in my book and I think the opinion of here is better than of Amen.

@johny - Agree. Since LH too many songs have become part of the set. THINFS - Odd they have dropped so many as JBJ thinks this is a masterpiece of art. Its not of course.

The songs need a chance to be able to work live. Blame is equally between JBJ selling them properly on stage and the audience giving them a chance. They got the CD for free with their ticket they should at least have listened to it to know what's coming on the THINFS tour.

I've said it previously, but on this tour there should be 5+ THINFS songs. If they are killing the crowd, spread them out between hits to get them back in the groove. The problem isn't with the THINFS songs, it's all the dirge in the rest of the setlist. You can still have a good setlist with 6 new songs in if the other 15 or so are bangers. WGIGO got where it was with the staging, they need to make some decent staging for the new songs. Why waste Amen/BOR in the crowd when it could be a new song to give that one it's USP?

He can pretty much still do Blaze Of Glory (obviously 1 half step from original)
but the chorus must most likely be lowered to F4 or so instead of the current F#4. And some of the highest notes can easily be avoided by lowering them (Some A4's or so in the verse as i remember).