THINFSale - Charts

My point exactly!! Thank you, let Jon enjoy this moment.

You are wrong. They didn´t sell 350.000 tickets. That was just the aproximated number by the end of the US tour (number of the concerts + arena capacity). And only albums purchased by a specific date would be eligible for redeem the CD.

And you are wrong again, nobody who wanted to buy the concert ticket had to buy the album. People could choose if they wanted to redeem the CD.

The cost of the CD is added to the ticket price. You cannot opt out of paying the extra £10 or whatever it is when buying a ticket, therefore everyone is charged for the CD whether they chose to redeem it or not. The record company are not manufacturing and sending out these CDs for free....

Another articles painting the band in a negative light because of this:
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/bon-j...letter_4572276
It's been a PR disaster

But it´s not 1 ticket sold = 1 cd sold. That´s my point. People had to choose to be converted in sales. I´m not a fan of the strategy, but i can understand why

No one is disputing that. But whether you claim the CD or not, you are still charged for it, so the label is still making money out of you, even if it doesn't count towards the chart.
I'm sure it's probably something that was written into the contract when Jon resigned. It's the record labels last deperate attempt to stay relevant in a world where the old business model is dead.
As I said, if I was Biillboard I wouldn't allow these type of "sales" to be chart legible.

Just saw that part where Jon said they have 30 sold out shows. Has even 1 show sold out yet?

Montreal sold out and had a second date added. Other than that, it's selling rather poorly.

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I understand the discussion around how ethical this is, but I don't think that's the main problem, at least it wasn't my point.

The whole bundling (and charging for!) the CDs with the concert tickets is just another commercial strategy to "reward" people who are interested in the band, make they feel that they are getting their money's worth. It makes sense that you'd get a CD of an artist you want to see live, and they are giving it away! Haven't you ever bought CDs/LPs on a whim? Based on a song you liked on the radio or a concert you went to? I have done this, quite a few times, but only when I saw the CDs in the discount bin so it's basically the same thing... "morally" if you wish.
I got my 2nd and 3rd copies of THINFS super cheap, they were already reduced and then it was a Buy 1/Get 1 50% off deal. Both CDs counts as a whole sale. I wouldn't have gotten the 3rd one if it wasn't for the deal.

Anyway, my point is that yes we know they've turned into a nostalgia band but up until now people outside our "fan world" were not paying attention and they were going to shows based on their good reputation and longevity. There weren't articles analyzing (and criticizing) their marketing ploys. This strategy backfiring on them now wouldn't have made a dent ten years ago, but would you go see them in 2018 if you were constantly reminded that they need to artificially inflate their numbers to reach no.1, a band with a supposedly huge fanbase? I know I wouldn't, I'd think they must stink if they have to resort to that, they must have very little loyal fans left so they probably are not worth the money.

Yes, I know many bands do the CD bundling, but you don't hear the press hammering about it because this is only a % of their sales and they are being successful regarless of those "dirty tricks". In BJ case it's only shining the spotlight on them in a very unflattering way.

And also my real beef with the THINFS promotion cycle is the lack of interest and effort. Tidal throw some money on their laps and the band fvcked off. It costs very little to do promotion nowadays. Young artists know they have to constantly engage their fans or they'll be quickly forgotten but a band like BJ can get away with little promo material like interviews, promo teasers (time, effort and money) and using instead lots of short bursts of engagement. A tweet with the lyrics of the songs every week. A shout-out to a popular artist praising their music (to make the fans of said artist be a little curious about "those old men"), polls... There are so so many easy things they could've done to keep the momentum and show the fans that really care about the band that they also care, they believe in their album and are really proud and happy to be sharing it

That may very well be the case. I've been wrong before.

I believe I mentioned the estimate thing on the ticket sales thread. The actual estimate according to Billboard was 350,000-375,000 for the entire tour. That's why I said "estimated". (And according to the venue sites, the combined capacity for concerts is over 516,000.)

The way Keith Caufield explained it, the customer could choose to "redeem" the voucher and to claim the CD; but the CD price was included in (bundled with) the ticket price. If that is the case, then when someone bought a ticket, they were also paying for the CD. Whether they chose to claim that CD or not was on them. Since only those redeemed vouchers are counted towards the chart position; tallying the vouchers is just for chart position and bragging rights. But the record label and Bon Jovi already have the money, regardless.

You're right about the date, though. According to bonjovi.com, vouchers had to be redeemed by Feb 25. That makes sense because they would want to receive all the vouchers that were going to be redeemed before the Billboard cutoff to make sure they would all count towards the chart position. The vouchers wouldn't do them any good after the debut or, in this case, re-entry on the charts.

I read something about that a few posts back. Where did Jon say that? Was it at the iHeart icon awards?