[Dawn]

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

You're forgetting though - people who write like that are annoying, but we are the rude ones for pointing it out to them

You must get annonyed very easy by grammar mistake on a bon jovi board !

Live and let live.... I have to put up with swearing which is in nearly every post, so why is it so difficult for you to ignore a post you find not to have the correct written grammar ?

Dawn

[Thomas Anderson]

Originally Posted by Dawn

If they dont like the way someone writes they should ignore it , who are they to correct anyones grammar.

What about people who feel 'offended' by specific words and don't like that they are allowed?

As Ice and myself and others have said this is all about courtesy. Many of us will write a post to the best of our ability such that the person reading it will be able to understand it. If a person disregards others when they write their message, who exactly do they hope to get a reply from? If a person can't be bothered to clearly put their message across why should they expect anyone to take the time to reply?

[Thomas Anderson]

Originally Posted by Dawn

Live and let live.... I have to put up with swearing which is in nearly every post, so why is it so difficult for you to ignore a post you find not to have the correct written grammar ?

Well 'swearing' is something very specific. Just because you don't like the word and you think it's 'naughty' then that is your problem, it isn't a general societal issue - but when a person writes a message in such a way that makes it difficult to read (uncommon abbreviations, spelling and grammar errors, bad punctuation etc). There's very much a difference between not being able to actually read something, and reading something and tutting because there are words that you don't like.

[Dawn]

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

What about people who feel 'offended' by specific words and don't like that they are allowed?

As Ice and myself and others have said this is all about courtesy. Many of us will write a post to the best of our ability such that the person reading it will be able to understand it. If a person disregards others when they write their message, who exactly do they hope to get a reply from? If a person can't be bothered to clearly put their message across why should they expect anyone to take the time to reply?

Im not saying you dont have a right to be offended, you have a right to be offended at anything you chose , but why choose to attempt to comment and change the way a person writes. Im offended by swearing I dont try and stop people swearing. I accept I have my opinion which is a choice and the other person has a right to chose to swear or in this case writing poor grammar.

This board is suppose to be for people from all walks of life this is what Peter wanted , you are attempting to attack people in your opinion with poor grammar skills ! Isnt this a form of racism ?

If a poorly written post isnt replied to why is this your business ?

Dawn

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Dawn

you are attempting to attack people in your opinion with poor grammar skills ! Isnt this a form of racism ?

Unless the people who are posting poorly written posts, are from a whole different race - no; that isn't racism.

And you claim you've accepted the swear words, yet in each and every thread there is about a certain way of posting, you will say something about the swearing on jovitalk and how much you're offended by that. So much for accepting.

[Thomas Anderson]

Originally Posted by Dawn

This board is suppose to be for people from all walks of life this is what Peter wanted , you are attempting to attack people in your opinion with poor grammar skills !

You might want to read the entire thread Dawn. We are not, and would not pick a person up if they were trying their best but made mistakes. What we don't like is the many people who are so lazy that they don't type full words, full sentences, use txt speak, no punctuation, terrible grammar - all through being lazy and sloppy.
As we've said before it is not to discriminate against a person who is actually trying their best, be it that their level of English just isn't very good, or English isn't their first language, or if they are dyslexic or any other reason.

Originally Posted by Dawn

Isnt this a form of racism ?

You might want to look up what racism is too.

[Dawn]

Swearing is a societal issue in my opinion. I used to comment a lot to individuals about swearing but realised doing so was not in the spirit of this board.

If someone writes in txt then is it their choice. People have been writing in text on here for yrs expecially to overide the original swearing filteration system !

If you cant read something, why do you feel you have the right to attack someone to insist you are able to read it in the manner you wish to ?

Dawn

[Thomas Anderson]

As you said yourself Dawn this is a site for everyone around the world. Now if some of us, as native English speakers have trouble deciphering these messages, how do you think others around the world, for whom English is not their native language, will manage to read these messages? How would you like it if all the Dutch people here started speaking in Dutch so you couldn't understand it? Would you just sit by and let everything possible happen here, or would you say something?

[rane]

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

Or perhaps he was just trying to raise attention to his very much valid point by being a bit more 'extreme' than most others might.

Perhaps so. But why do it in public? He's raising a point in public, just as I'm raising a point in public. But I guess its not ok when I do it because the "victims" are you guys?

[rane]

Originally Posted by Iceman

However you twist it, it still means you don't like when people write like that. That's exactly what I'm telling people not to do.

No, dont put words in my mouth. Ive only ever agreed to the tendency of bad slang writing and speaking (notice: no grammar mentioned here). I even mentioned examples (the z vs s, the wOOt word etc.) but still YOU twist it to force an opinion on me. Actually I've several times pointed out that I didnt think the original post was that badly written, but I guess you pull out the "it was edited" argument again then.

Originally Posted by Iceman

Did it ever occur to you that I wasn't trying to be friendly?

Oh it did. And Im sure now that you and the word friendly certainly isnt a great match on these boards. Btw allow me to quote you from the original thread. You said somewhere: "And if you have to resort to insults, I suggest you don't post at all." - by your own logic you should rethink your posts before writing them, especially if they contain direct or indirect insults.

Originally Posted by Iceman

Please, cut the crap and show some real arguments. Your posts are getting ridiculous. This "discussion" wasn't about my sentences but people who spell like shit.

Oh that isnt real arguments? I think majority would agree that they was. I argue that people like polite people, not impolite. And that laziness doesnt equal rude. And the discussion quickly converted into your sentences because of your stubborn not-logical claims and actions.

"Your posts are getting ridiculous" - I take that as a compliment. It indicates to me that my points has some serious impact on you. If you havent noticed, this is a completely normal and well-written debate about ethical issues where people are of different opinions. Going as low as saying the opponents posts are getting ridiculous, says more about the one saying it than the one it was meant for.

Originally Posted by Iceman

As or the words I chose, "babble" was clearly closer to the original text than "text". One long paragraph with hardly any punctuation, line breaks or capital letters is babble.

That's debatable. Edited or not, I think the original post looks fine and is quite legible.

Originally Posted by Iceman

Fine, feel free. But I'm not "against" anyone's posts, but the way they are written. If you're against my posts, then by all means, go ahead. But _that_ is the behaviour of a "forum cop" to borrow your phrases.

Its totally different when one sticks up for a person who was put through the forumcop teaching machine. Forum cops arent by definition against a whole post, but they're against spelling/grammar flaws. Unless of course you try to twist the definition to suit your own arguments.

Originally Posted by Iceman

What argument? You have none. Every one you thought you had, have been proven wrong.

No, that only happened in your own head. I suspect you of writing stuff like this to confuse your "opponent", hoping he/she will think your right and back down. My arguments are just as good and valid as your own. They just dont fit into your thoughts, so you automatically put them down.

Originally Posted by Iceman

If no one wants to post bad posts ever again, that would be great. However, I'm sure people will continue to rape the language.

Maybe. Maybe not. I also want everyone in the world to stop doing crime, but Im pretty sure that wont happen. I have to be careful about my next comment now, because you'll probably try to twist it and force an opinion on me yet again. But...I think that the language is being "raped" more often these days and I fear it will continue in the future. I dont blame lazy writers tho, but rather the media, the movies, the rap/hiphop and other spoiled music artists etc.etc.