Aloha !
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
That's not really a strong piece of evidence. They could have just moved Bed of Roses into Lie To Me's place; there's no reason to think that Letting You Go couldn't have been played after Roses just because that had never happened before.
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Believe me, once you've edited and corrected over 800 setlists you pretty much start to understand the way it works. It could've been done before, yes. But I don't believe it has. It's sort of like Joey and Right Side Of Wrong never appearing on the same show. It's just a feeling I have.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
The televised performance doesn't have Hey God, it skips to Livin On A Prayer after Helter Skelter.
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I honestly have got no idea why I wrote that down, I've got the bootleg here right in front of me.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
There were several times when they played both songs on the same night. When Helter Skelter opened, Rocking In The Free World was played as an encore like in Montreal (the second show), Detroit and Toronto.
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I know, but they stopped doing so after the North American leg. What you're describing right now is something that had never happened in South America and Australia, setlists had changed by then and Jon rarely went back to something after he changed it for about 15 shows or something. As soon as Hey God became song number 2 on the sets there wasn't just one show that had a different set structure.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
Though I don't have proof, I have for some reason always tended to think that the two songs are from the same night and HS opened the show and Free World was an encore. Also it was probably easiest for them to fix up songs from only one concert for a release. They might have played Rockin In The Free World both nights (like in Montreal) or they could have opened the first show with Rocking All Over The World too as they also opened shows with it at this time.
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This is what I've been thinking too, however, I just don't think it has happened that way based upon the former setlists in South America and Australia. It's too big of a co-incidence that the set of the televised performance looks a lot like what they played in Australia before.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
Surely you mean November 30 as November doesn't have 31 days...
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Obviously.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
Says who?
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Says me. Sure, there's always a chance that some show might appear somewhere but keep in mind that I've been collecting setlists since 2001. If it was really out there I suppose I would've gotten my hands on it. I also don't understand why I haven't seen Nashville before. On my forum people are collecting the bootlegs from every year, they're at 1989 right now so it'll take a while untill 1995 will show up. If Nashville really exists, it will show up there, I'm sure about that.
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Originally Posted by Suojelusperkele
No but there are several mistakes on your website, I should probably correct a few things for you.
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Anyone is welcome to correct the errors on my site, the 1995 era is a big mess, and I'm aware of that. The last time I really worked on my website was when I corrected the Bounce Era. My priorities are now at my forum though, the website will be a priority this summer I think.
I'd just like to add that this has been something I have been working on for ages. Ever since I started making the 1995 Era I've looked for information about the South Africa leg of the tour. By now I do not remember anymore why I have decided that some things are the way I say they are. Some information comes from interviews Tico has given, but I can't remember most of my sources anymore. It's been 4 years since I've worked on it and obviously, I can be wrong about it too.
I guess we'll never know for sure unless Obie might be arsed enough to dig into the archives and make himself usefull.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan