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Old 02-17-2003, 06:40 PM
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letitrock, u see this poll was about whats next for each of members if there will be a break... it is obvious cause there was a option ANOTHER SOLO ALBUM for each of them....so in a break time, you think its better if he cuts his hair and stay at home and dont make an album....so why most of the people voted for richie for a new album, and not to cut hair????
because richie is a talented, musician who actually plays his instrument, has a great bluesy singing voice, and has made 2 good solo albums in the past.
Surely you haven't heard Dave's albums.
Of course I have heard them!

They are nothing compared to jon lord "pictured within" anything keith emerson or ELP have ever done...

they are ok, but he's not a good "solo" artist in the same way richie is, or jon can be...
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Old 02-17-2003, 06:44 PM
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Yes, let me see David write something like Tarkus, or the 6th Wives of Henry VIII. Or something like the Concerto for group and orchestra by Jon Lord... These people create something truely amazing through their music, complex, imaginative, and progressive, the things I've heard of David, he's non of these things.

I write a lot of instrumental music, currently 17mins, and saying that instrumental music is more difficult to write than music with vocals is just ignorant. The music I'm writting now is intense, and has taken months and months to write, but that doesn't mean it's any better than songs I've written in three days.

Can you compare Pictures at an Exhibition to Fanfare for the Comman man, and say Fanfare is more complex because it's just instrumental....NO!!!!!

Very few rock songs are purely vocal, and will have some element of instrument solo's to them.

Also, vocals are just one part, largely adding a melody. If you're doing an instrumental, then youre singing through your instrument. You have to add the melody's you'd get from a vocalist through your instrument..... This doesn't make it more difficult to write, or impresive. Satriani is no more impressive than Deep Purple, and E.L.P is no more impressive than Yes, or at least not just because one is instrumental, and one not!!!
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Old 02-17-2003, 06:59 PM
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I guess it's just not letitrock's taste of music. Maybe you've writtena lot of songs, maybe some of them are really good (I haven't heard any of them) but I bet that what Dave does is completely different to your music. Actually there aren't many people who compose such music anymore. E.g. if I listen to endless horizon I can imagine the pictures as good as I can if I listen to any of Richie's solo albums. And maybe u know that I don't play guitar for very long (and that's why it stil sounds terrible) but for me guitar is much easier to learn than keyboard, at least until now. If you play guitar and one note doesn't sound that right most people don't hear that. But if you play piano everyone notices that something was wrong.
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aggh, beet me too it Tom! If you've ever heard Emerson plays Emerson, you'll know what a truely amazing piano player sounds like. Just seeing him do that on a grand at Wolverhampton was amazing. Plus the guy imporvises so much, he's doing this increadibly difficult bass line, then jsut for a bit of fun, plays a little Hoedown in the right, then laughing playes a little Fanfare......not only is he the best, but he rubs it in your face!
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But if you play piano everyone notices that something was wrong.
quite the opposite - piano, sustain can hide your mistakes... whereas on a clean acoustic guitar you have to coordinate both hands, prevent fret-buzz where possible...

piano is easier to learn too - since anyone can press a key down and get a clean sound...

with guitar it takes a lot of practice before you can even sound a note clearly letting it ring without it buzzing or muting...
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aggh, beet me too it Tom! If you've ever heard Emerson plays Emerson, you'll know what a truely amazing piano player sounds like. Just seeing him do that on a grand at Wolverhampton was amazing. Plus the guy imporvises so much, he's doing this increadibly difficult bass line, then jsut for a bit of fun, plays a little Hoedown in the right, then laughing playes a little Fanfare......not only is he the best, but he rubs it in your face!
I got to admit that I never heard that. But the fact that another good piano player exists doesn't make Dave a worse one.
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But if you play piano everyone notices that something was wrong.
quite the opposite - piano, sustain can hide your mistakes... whereas on a clean acoustic guitar you have to coordinate both hands, prevent fret-buzz where possible...

piano is easier to learn too - since anyone can press a key down and get a clean sound...

with guitar it takes a lot of practice before you can even sound a note clearly letting it ring without it buzzing or muting...
You don't have to tell me that it's hard to learn how to play some good sounding notes on guitar but though for me keyboard is much more difficult. It's not only pressing some keys and btw you also have to coordinate both hands there. Actually I never tried to write something for guitar but when I tried that for keyboard I always got the same problem: I had a melody and couldn't find any chords that would fit.
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each instroment has its own difficulty, you cant say that one instroment is easier to learn and play than another one, piano has its own and guitar has its own too, if you play both you will understand, and in every instrument, if u play something wrong, and if you arent a professional player, everyone will notice, even if nobody heard it before....
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each instroment has its own difficulty, you cant say that one instroment is easier to learn and play than another one, piano has its own and guitar has its own too, if you play both you will understand, and in every instrument, if u play something wrong, and if you arent a professional player, everyone will notice, even if nobody heard it before....
That's why I said its just for me like that
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exactly, I play piano myself. Although I'm not clasically trained like Emo, or even David, I can play very well. I learnt to play keyboards through hours of practice every day, this is how all instruments are learnt. There is no easyer instrument to learn, because at the end of the day it's just a case of practicing and getting better. It's like anything else again, to play an instrument basically will only take a matter of months. I learnt to play a few chords on guitar (with the intent to lear), and as soon as I familiarised myself with them, I could change chords pretty well. I'm sure I could have learnt guitar to a basic level very quickly. It;s the same with keyboards. I could teach anybody basic keyboards, i.e chords, basic rythems e.t.c. But to learn an instrument properly does take hours and hours of practice.

No, Emerson being much better than David doesn't make him poor, but it does somwhat undermine his abilities. David is basically the sort of keyboard player I really don't like. He has the technical ability, because he had a clasical trainging, but he's unimaginative, and systematic in his paying. The brilliance of Emerson is he's exploring his instrument, yes, he has the classical background, but he's developed his style from this. It's the same with Jon Lord, they don't teach you to play like that, you have to find it for yourself. That's why I find the album uninspiring, he's an average piano player, with little imagination, and no style. I can identify Emerson from a bar of music, because the way he plays the keys are so distinct, the way he attacks them. For somebody like Emerson, his style is subtle, yet instantly identifyable. It's the same with Wakeman, Lord, Hammer e.t.c You can tell who is playing instantly, because they are so distinct. You could put anybody on the keys for Bon Jovi, and you wouldn't tell the difference, because he has no idividual style to his playing.
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