A Vocal Coach about Jon's Voice Decline

That someone was me! Spot on, you can't abuse your vocals for so long and expect to hit notes years in the future. Plus the smoking really didn't help, most professional singers know and understand not to smoke. Really doesn't have anyone but himself to blame.

It would be great to have his 2008-2011 voice back, but even now that seems impossible...oh well.

I'd be happy to get his 2013 voice back... and I'm not being sarcastic

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I would be fine with that, too!

I don't even remember if I read your post correctly. I was under the influence of cheap red wine (cautionary tale kids, don't drink cheap wine during working hours, or don't drink and try to engage in conversation, either verbal or written). Now I'm under the influence of a much better wine so I think I can see what you mean but my point still stands. Singing regularly with a stronger technique shouldn't damage the voice, I agree, but it still takes a higher toll than recording for ex.

Anyway, if the technique was good, why is his voice shot now? Is it just failing to take care of it after the tour? Is it age catching up with Jon at last? Is it bad lifestyles choices? Is it something else? The answer falls somewhere in between I'd say, specially in the light of everything that happened between the end of TC/GH tour and now.

While logic says "If he sounded ok at the beginning of 2013 but worse than at the beginning of the previous tour and his voice has been in a very steep decline since then, this is Jon's fault for not taking proper care of his main instrument", common sense also says that if he didn't change the singing technique that sustained and improved his voice from 2008 to 2011, there has to be some natural decline too, regardless of how hard he could have worked to prevent it. But that natural decline seems too radical from early 2013 to 2015, and it doesn't account for his sudden transformation into Jon the statue glued to the mic. I find it hard to believe he can't move because now all of a sudden he's always out of breath when he wasn't two years ago (based in my personal observation of older men with worse lifestyles and/or medical respiratory conditions who do vigorous physical exercise regularly) unless there's something else. Either a health problem he doesn't want to talk about, which is his prerogative tbh, or like the voice coach said, an aging voice AND hitting a very rough patch. That's why I'm on the fence, I see why some say it's an easy excuse, but I also see why there's no other logical explanation for such a huge decline.

In any case, I don't see how his voice can improve if he hasn't regained his 2013 voice back (an easy start point, really). I see why he's not confident enough to be the frontmant he used to be, but sadly I can't see this changing unless somehow they manage to keep touring after 2017/18 and somewhere along the way Jon gets used to having Phil and Shanks as his sidekicks. In my mind both things are related but Jon seems unable to juggle both things (sing decently and move around) so we are stuck with this

A bunch of lies.

That's what they really are.

His problem it's clearly pathological, and started circa 1999. If it's not, why the hell Jon would start to sing his songs in a worse way? BECAUSE HE INTENTIONALLY WANTED TO SOUND BAD?

I don't think so.

This guy clearly has hearing problems.

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I was just listening to some live tunes from the 80's and a few obvious things I've noticed... Forgive me if my verbiage is off, I'm not a vocalist by any means

1. His natural tone is higher back then... Obviously! He's singing in the same voice as he is today but the tones are just naturally higher... He's not trying back then, it's just a higher pitched voice... You could notice his voice deepening as he continues from a boy to a man... Is the deepening his natural progression coming with age? or is it from damage (bad technique, smoking, etc)... What's his dad's voice like? I think it's a bit of both...

2. His technique is horrible. If you listen to Lay Your Hands On Me for example, he's literally talking his way through it maybe even worse than today... I kinda get why in 2007, Jon said and Richie agreed that Jon is singing better than ever... He improved his technique from back then....

3. What makes the songs sound so good is the raw power he once had which is now completely gone... He could belt out a scream like no other... In addition, he knew how to deliver with passion... He lost all power, confidence, and how to deliver with passion... If you listen to I Believe, the song is nothing until Jon start screaming... Then you're like oh ****!!!!

Bringing this full circle, his voice has deepened so much which now makes it almost impossible for him to reach the notes he once did... It's kinda sad cause Jon's still a great writer... As much as I like the new album, I always question "are these songs the TLFR versions of what could have been AMAZING songs if they were sung 20 years prior"

1. His deepened voice is pretty much due to his age and his genes:
There they talk about the SWW tour and you just need to compare Tico's voice to the one of Jon's dad. They're both almost equally deep - so that shows where this journey will go.

2. I agree, he had no proper technique back then and I'd say that even until Blaze of Glory he was shouting his way up to the high notes rather than singing them. He just relied on his power and given his age that was absolutely okay. Sure, he had a vocal coach on the SWW tour but I still think these were just some emergency tactics to somehow get him through the tour, rather than working out some proper singing habits. As pointed out before, he probably didn't even think he'd still be doing this in 2000.
In this case I think it's interesting what Olli (lead singer of Bounce) told me about the BJ songs. Since he has a quite wide range, he said that the 80's songs are not really challenging in terms of singing, not even LOAP. He told me that Jon really upped his game vocally with KTF and TD and that In These Arms in its original key is the hardest song for him to sing, in fact much harder than the key change in LOAP.