Album sales

Captain_jovi · #11 04-14-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachy

ok so forgive me for being the douter in the group but,

it took the group 20 or so years to meet 100 million and that was at the height of thier popularity, now since then they have had the box set and H.A.N.D, amd yes i know that people will buy the old stuff again but i cant see them getting 20 million album sales from that in the past 4 years r so!

It seems pretty implausible till you break it down. While the box set might not have pulled in BIG numbers, you have to multiply whatever it sold times 4, right? The back catalauge shifting + HAND selling pretty decently in some areas...

That and I think they were past the 100 million mark a bit before they said they were.

Crushgen24/88 · #12 04-14-2007, 10:15 PM

Realistically, I'd say they may be at 115 mill, worldwide.

Crushgen24/88 · #13 04-14-2007, 10:30 PM

On the Crush Tour dvd, on the "Backstage" thing, it shows them at a party commemorating 90 million albums sold worldwide.
This footage is form before, or right after Crush's release.
Now Crush has about 11,000,000 World Wide.
Add to that he WW numbers of One Wild Night, Bounce, TLFR, 100,000,000 fans..., and HAND, plus the huge jump that the post-2000 success gave to the back catalouge, and 120,000,000 seems very possible.

Eastwick · #14 04-14-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88

On the Crush Tour dvd, on the "Backstage" thing, it shows them at a party commemorating 90 million albums sold worldwide.
This footage is form before, or right after Crush's release.
Now Crush has about 11,000,000 World Wide.
Add to that he WW numbers of One Wild Night, Bounce, TLFR, 100,000,000 fans..., and HAND, plus the huge jump that the post-2000 success gave to the back catalouge, and 120,000,000 seems very possible.

Word of wisdom...

TheseDays2005 · #15 04-15-2007, 12:15 AM

Yesterday I read a article about sales of Michael Jackson, while he himself was not interested there was said that over the period he has sold albums it was impossible to ever have accurate sales figures.
With world artist like BJ albums are produced by numerous parties, also purchasing of albums in areas not in the US or west-Europe are mostly not done through the way it's tracked by record-company or any other major instution, anyway apparantly with a big world-artist about 35-50% of the 'official' sales are unaccounted for and a (reliable) estimate
Next to that ALWAYS the stock (factories) and order-stock (ordered, not produced) up to 3 years are taken into the 'official' sales figures.

Becky · #16 04-15-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachy

ok so forgive me for being the douter in the group but,

it took the group 20 or so years to meet 100 million and that was at the height of thier popularity, now since then they have had the box set and H.A.N.D, amd yes i know that people will buy the old stuff again but i cant see them getting 20 million album sales from that in the past 4 years r so!

But look at it this way. They had sold 27 million CDs by 1990. Based on the DVD #'s, 90 million by 1990. They sold more than 2x what they sold in the 1980's during the 1990's. They sold 63 million CDs from 1990-1999 with only three new releases: KTF, Cross Road, These Days. Or maybe it's 5 new CDs in the 1990's if you count JBJ's solo CDs which may be counted in Bon Jovi's catalogue since he's the only one on the contract. **aside** Has that ever been clarified? **aside over**

Nonetheless, their sales grew at a staggering rate considering how slowly they turned out new product. They hit 100 million prior to 2004. Jon had the title for the box set picked out when they were doing Bounce promo in 2002. Whether he was planning ahead or they had already hit that landmark, I don't know.

With their continued popularity in the global market, resurgance on the US charts, crossover into the country charts, the advent of stations like the JACK franchise which play hits from the 80's and 90's, and the biggest tour of their career to date, I think it's quite plausible that they've sold an additional 30 million CDs since they were at 90 million in 2000.

Crushgen24/88 · #17 04-16-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by APK876

OK, I'm gonna stand up and say no way is the band's albums sales at 120 million.

First off, the numbers for worldwide sales are an IMPOSSIBLE figure to calculate and they are best guess figures.

When NEW JERSEY came out in 1988, the press release mentioned that the band had sold 17 million records worldwide. By the fall of 1990 when the press release for ACCESS ALL AREAS was released, they were saying 30 million.

When the band was doing the KTF press tour in early '93 (right before the tour) the sales totals were at 35 million. When the tour was over and JBJ was doing interviews they were saying 40-45 million. Now in the 1990's the catalog sales for cd's were huge so that added in (plus KTF sold around 10 million).

I'll skip ahead to 2002. Billboard did a huge interview with the band, their management and the head of Universal music. The band was at 92/93 million records sold. I remember this specifically because they mentioned how every BJ album since SWW sold a minimum of 8 million worldwide. They even mentioned in the article that if you did the math that would have put the band at 100 million.

We all know BOUNCE failed to deliver with only around 4-4.5 million sold. Then TLFR sold a little over 2 million. Add in some catalog sales and you hit 100 million in time for the box set in 2004.

The box set did NOT sell that well. It sold ok. There were 100,000 copies sold in the US, granted if they certified it x5 it would technically be at 500,000 copies. I'm guessing that this set even when they count each disc it would not have sold more than 2.5 million worldwide.

HAND is around 4.5 million worldwide which is an impressive number. I am not sure if everyone realizes how bad the music industry has gotten. To give you an example, Def Leppard's VAULT constantly outsells all Bon Jovi catalog albums on the Billboard catalog chart. That album sells between 4,000 and 6,000 copies weekly.

Do the math and it's approximately 300,000 per year.

There is no way Bon Jovi went from 100 million in 2004 to 120 million now.

HOWEVER, let's inflate HAND to 5 million, the box set to 3 million (way inflated)...that takes us to 108 million.

As mentioned earlier by another poster, add in singles sales and you maybe might hit 120 million. In the US ALWAYS & BLAZE sold 1 million each and that would take them to 110 million. Now let's say each of the band's top 20 singles (BAND NAME, PRAYER, WANTED, BAD RX, BORN TO BE..., I B 4 U, LAY HANDS, SIN, BED OF ROSES, TAALS)...that is 10 singles, let's say at 200,000 a piece and that takes them to 112 million.

Add in international singles and you may get another 4 million.

In the end, I am not sure why the band constantly feels the need to brag about how many albums sold. It hinders them. It's almost as bad as Gene Simmons talking about all the women he slept with.

I had a conversation recently with a someone who actually votes for the rock n' roll hall of fame. We were talking about certain bands chances of being inducted and when we got to Bon Jovi (he had no idea I was a fan)... he told me that the committee will NEVER vote for Bon Jovi to be inducted specifically because of JBJ's constant bragging about how many record's he has sold. This has been discussed in meetings so short of some miracle or changes in the voting committee, BJ won't be in the RNR HOF probably for 15+ years.

xT

I couldn't care less how many albums they've sold, but your math doesn't make much sense.
And, the article says a minimum of 8 million, which means most sold more.
And they were at 90 pre-Crush, not pre-Bounce, as verified on the Crush DVD.

yomamasofat · #18 04-16-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by APK876

I had a conversation recently with a someone who actually votes for the rock n' roll hall of fame. We were talking about certain bands chances of being inducted and when we got to Bon Jovi (he had no idea I was a fan)... he told me that the committee will NEVER vote for Bon Jovi to be inducted specifically because of JBJ's constant bragging about how many record's he has sold. This has been discussed in meetings so short of some miracle or changes in the voting committee, BJ won't be in the RNR HOF probably for 15+ years.

xT

Wouldn't that be funny!

rainsong · #19 04-16-2007, 09:50 AM

The HOF commitee may not want to but the truth is they mess with their own credibility if they don't. Considering the VH debacle this year and the complete lack of respect that VH showed for the HOF, they can't justify putting VH in and not BJ. Not to mention that Bj is the only band out of the hair metal era that is still on the "A" list.

Some of the old school guys on the commitee that think that Bj ruined metal or were light weights are just pissed because they have to eat some crow. Like I said they may not like it but if the HOF wants to stay credible, BJ will get elected in.

Living_on_my_Hair · #20 04-16-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rainsong

The HOF commitee may not want to but the truth is they mess with their own credibility if they don't. Considering the VH debacle this year and the complete lack of respect that VH showed for the HOF, they can't justify putting VH in and not BJ. Not to mention that Bj is the only band out of the hair metal era that is still on the "A" list.

Some of the old school guys on the commitee that think that Bj ruined metal or were light weights are just pissed because they have to eat some crow. Like I said they may not like it but if the HOF wants to stay credible, BJ will get elected in.

Yes, and especially as they have just been voted into the UK hall of fame it would look a bit stupid if they werent considered for the US one all because of (supposeadly) a minority of judges personal vendettas against JBJ. Persoanlly, i dont believe a word of what that guy posted about this bit.

As for album sales again, i wouldnt be surprised if Slippery and Crossroad out sold the likes of Bounce and TLFR worldwide in the past few years, as i have mentioned classic albums continue to sell well decades after their release (i bought Back in Black the other day!) so I think their back catalogue clearly helps them reach this 120million (ish) milestone.

andi

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