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Old 06-05-2006, 12:47 PM
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Why the **** should I know why you bother with me? Probably because you feel attacked, and deep inside you know that I'm smarter than you. Hell most of us are smarter than you.
If for one second I would think that you are "more intelligent" than a dog with a mental disorder, I would actually have to laugh about what a good joke I made. On the other hand, it's really nice how you try to get the support of a message board which you constantly piss off with using "us" when delineating that "most of us" are smarter than me. It's good you did so because I for sure wouln't like to be part of that "us".


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And which mistakes would that be? Ah wait, the current band makes no mistakes, except for Jon being off key every now and than. Should they fire Jon as well.
I know it's difficult for you to understand. With that last sentence I meant, I wish Alec was in the band, making mistakes again so Richie could cover them by running around and playing the hell out of his guitar.

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Yes. There's even one of them released officially on some Spanish promo. Most bootleg collectors know about the infamous "Thanks Alec, it's in D". Also, another show in Argentina 1993 in which Alec is completely off key. So there.
There's one bootleg from the Crush tour where Jon stops and makes fun of Richie for making a mistake during Captain Crash. There's even an official DVD where Jon forgets the lyrics for Lay Your Hands on Me. Yes, AND? It's a god damn live show! Read your own Düsseldorf review. Oops, I forgot you were just showing off there. If you were going to ask what my point is, don't!


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That's because you don't think.
Having in mind that this comes from you, it's a compliment!


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So you could moan that it's fake to have a bass player behind the curtain.
Probably true!


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What's the point of that anyway, a bass player on stage not playing at all but just being cool? What do you think Bon Jovi is, a boyband, you mong?

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I never wanted a bass player "behind the curtain". Just one on stage. Like Bobby Bandier or like Jeff Kazee. I would kindly ask you to actually think before you reply although I know it is difficult for you.

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Old 06-05-2006, 12:56 PM
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If for one second I would think that you are "more intelligent" than a dog with a mental disorder, I would actually have to laugh about what a good joke I made. On the other hand, it's really nice how you try to get the support of a message board which you constantly piss off with using "us" when delineating that "most of us" are smarter than me. It's good you did so because I for sure wouln't like to be part of that "us".
And another pointless part of a pointless reply.

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I know it's difficult for you to understand. With that last sentence I meant, I wish Alec was in the band, making mistakes again so Richie could cover them by running around and playing the hell out of his guitar.
This just doesn't make sense. You want a bass player making mistakes so there'd be more to cover up. And in order to cover up mistakes Richie needs to run around? What sort of logic is that? And Richie wasn't running around that much in the nineties either with the exception of only one or 2 songs anyway.

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There's one bootleg from the Crush tour where Jon stops and makes fun of Richie for making a mistake during Captain Crash. There's even an official DVD where Jon forgets the lyrics for Lay Your Hands on Me. Yes, AND? It's a god damn live show! Read your own Düsseldorf review. Oops, I forgot you were just showing off there. If you were going to ask what my point is, don't!
Because there isn't any I will not bother asking.

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Having in mind that this comes from you, it's a compliment!
If you see someone saying that you're not thinking as a compliment, you're only making it a lot more true.

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Probably true!
So you're actually wanting things to happen so you could complain about it later on? You're such an idiot.

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I never wanted a bass player "behind the curtain". Just one on stage. Like Bobby Bandier or like Jeff Kazee. I would kindly ask you to actually think before you reply although I know it is difficult for you.
What do Bobby Bandiera and Jeff Kazee have anything to do with Alec making mistakes? It's not like Bobby is covering up Richie's mistakes, now is he?

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Old 06-05-2006, 02:25 PM
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ok, unfortunately, you did a very low-class job, even lower class than your usually low-class Iceman wannabee, argument lookalike posts.

I am sure even people who don't speak English understood what I meant with Alec making mistakes -- Richie running around. Of course, that doesn't include people who don't want to understand, and I am sure it makes no sense in this case.

Of course there wasn't any point, although, I am sure that everybody on this message board who owns half a brain got it.

The next one is worth quoting:

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If you see someone saying that you're not thinking as a compliment, you're only making it a lot more true.
Well, I don't see anybody as a compliment. Compliments are statements, not persons. But for you it's fine of course. It's not like you make this type of confusion for the first time. Besides, it reminded me a lot of kindergarden - a place probably way to challanging for you.

Yes yes, I want things to happen so I can complain later on. WOOOOW. I am amazed of myself and again of how yu can interpret things. Astonishing.

Bobby Bandiera covers Richie and Kazee covers Dave. Hugh could cover Alec. I am sure you wouln't notice any mistake then either. Although, it's only you who doesn't make mistakes, I forgot. We had one like you in Romania. He was older, but he knew all better. After 40 years he was executed on Christmas day! 30+ years for you to go!
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Old 06-05-2006, 02:40 PM
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ok, unfortunately, you did a very low-class job, even lower class than your usually low-class Iceman wannabee, argument lookalike posts.
Iceman a wannabe? Yeah right. And it's wannabe, and not wannabee. This is a bee.



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I am sure even people who don't speak English understood what I meant with Alec making mistakes -- Richie running around. Of course, that doesn't include people who don't want to understand, and I am sure it makes no sense in this case.

Of course there wasn't any point, although, I am sure that everybody on this message board who owns half a brain got it.
So there isn't a point but everybody on this point got it? I'd be pretty amazed if that would be the case.


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Well, I don't see anybody as a compliment. Compliments are statements, not persons. But for you it's fine of course.
And I didn't say a compliment was a person. Read it again, and again you've proven yourself to be utter stupid, and once again you made a bigger fool of yourself.

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It's not like you make this type of confusion for the first time. Besides, it reminded me a lot of kindergarden - a place probably way to challanging for you.
I do not cause confusion, it's you who doesn't understand what I am saying.

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Yes yes, I want things to happen so I can complain later on. WOOOOW. I am amazed of myself and again of how yu can interpret things. Astonishing.
We all are. Time after time.

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Bobby Bandiera covers Richie and Kazee covers Dave. Hugh could cover Alec. I am sure you wouln't notice any mistake then either.
Yeah, sure. Such nonsense. 2 bassplayers on stage just so they can cover up eachother mistakes. You're really talking crap and you know it. But, like usual, you don't admit it and don't give up. Instead you start talking even more bullshit.

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Although, it's only you who doesn't make mistakes, I forgot. We had one like you in Romania. He was older, but he knew all better. After 40 years he was executed on Christmas day! 30+ years for you to go!
Er..Right.

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Old 06-05-2006, 03:19 PM
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Now for all of you who are bashing Alec - have you ever heard him making a mistake? Have you ever talked to somebody who went to a concert before Alec was fired saying, "the show sucked big time because the bass player was constantly making mistakes" ? I don't think so.

Fact is: Bon Jovi were a better live band WITH ALEC . Now Hugh probably plays better but since they now brought a second guitar player, a second keyboard player why couldn't they just bring a second bass player who just sits in the back and plays.
Various bootlegs but since I never saw him live, that means little to me. I'll be blunt. I dont like his bass tone, I don't like the way he plays. I much prefer Hugh's more fluid like playing. With Alec, it's almost like you can hear this dull ringing when he plays. It's simply a personal prefrence, Hughs sounds fits in better with the band. Which is no surprise, put on a bon jovi cd, you'll hear him there.

I don't think they were a better band with Alec. Naturally I can't back this up as I never saw them with Alec so I have to go on bootlegs here. I don't like his backing vocals, I can't stand his playing. I could care less what Alec or Hugh looks like. If it's truly all about the music then it doesn't matter, right?

EDIT: oh, bringing in a second bass player? What would that solve? They already have a consistent, mistake free bass player.
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It does amuse me the way that everyone on this board is so adamant that "It's all about the music", until this topic comes up ....
Anyone who claims it is "all about the music" is talking shit. If it is solely musical accomplishment you were looking for, you would only be interested in, at most, a handful of rock and roll bands.

Rock music has always been as much about excitement and attitude has it has high quality song writing and musicianship. Can you imagine the Rolling Stones would have achieved success if they had all looked like Hugh, or Guns n Roses, or even Bon Jovi for that matter?

If it were All About the Music, Jon would be an offstage songwriter, or maybe a ryhthym guitarist and Richie would be upfront singing the ass out of those songs.

Fortunately, it is not. We realise that live, being entertained is just as important as being impressed musically and that Jon and his amazingly big balls (he gets away with so, so much overthe top nonsense that would make anyone else look completely ridiculous!) put on an absolutely spectacular show.

Alec, for what it's worth had the attitude that let you know you were watching a rock & roll band where anything could happen and that people lived for the scene.

Hugh is obviously a talented bassist, but I just wish his flexibility was used a bit more to give the band a spontenaity they couldn't have had with a lesser player.

Performance wise, though, he could fit right in with Nickelback. Who knows, if he maybe showed a bit more energy Jon might even let his picture appear on a t-shirt or album cover!
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You guys, I'm pretty sure I said "case closed".

(And yeah. If music was all about ability Jon'd probably be the least famous member of the band.)
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You guys, I'm pretty sure I said "case closed".

(And yeah. If music was all about ability Jon'd probably be the least famous member of the band.)
Interesting opinion. It's not like Dave and Tico are great songwriters or singers. There aren't enough songs Richie has written alone to get a real picture of him as a songwriter on his own. Some people think Richie's a better singer, but that's purely a matter of opinion, a matter of personal taste. Jon does have ability--singing, songwriting, playing, and performing. He's also got the brains and business sense to have kept them in the business this long. Remember Tico said on Access that Jon takes care of a side of it that the rest of them just don't. Jon's got the whole package. Remember it was Richie who walked up to Jon and said "I'm going to be your guitar player" not the other way around. The band are successful because they all contribute their strengths.
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