Any Hope Left?

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

At the end of it all, it all comes down to the vocals... You can take all the post 2000 songs with the same writers and same producers and stick 1980/1990 JBJ vocals on them and they are all changed songs.... I've said it once and I'll say it again.... Every post 2000 Album is TLFR version of what could have been an amazing album with higher vocals.

Bed Of Roses - TLFR is the worst song ever... Bed Of Roses - KTF is the best song ever. Now with this current album, Jon found a balance which really works for me but I know if pushed more, these songs could even be better...

Originally Posted by Eveline

yeah, vocals are crucial but just as much as the maturity of the lyrics and the skillfulness of the guitar players. everything just needs to go together but I do agree with you - Jon's voice is shot and whether they like it or not, the whole BJ music needs to adjust to that and thus, limit the limitless :/

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Yep they need to and it's the first album where they actually (in my book) found a way to cope with the limited voice - at least in some spots. Living With The Ghost isn't great in terms of range, yet it's the first song since at least 10 years where Jon's vocal delivery gives me goosebumps.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I agree with this...

Originally Posted by Kuba80BJ

I agree. Actually that is the main thing I was trying to underline in my first post on this thread. Everyone of us tries to prove that his/hers opinion is the right one, that our favourite/worst album should be everyone’s favourite/worst album, that our ‘dream set list’ is definitely everyone’s ‘dream set list’. But it turns out it is not. There seems to be as many truths as people on this board. Indeed it is really interesting to know how much our music tastes differ, but it only proves that not everything is black or white, especially in music. And all our posts lead me to one conclusion…There is no such thing as ‘good music’ or ‘crap music’, ‘good song/album’ or ‘bad song/album’. The reason is very simple. Music is not measurable. You can measure music only based on your feelings and emotions, which again are not measurable. And that’s it. Nothing more nothing less.

So the thing that is needed the most over here is respect and understanding, both for ourselves and for the band of course. There is no point in aggression and offending each other just because someone has a different opinion. And that happens too often over here as far as I have noticed. And the same goes about the respect and understanding for the band and everything they do. And since the band is here for over 26 years, objectively Jon is doing a great job in anything he does. There are 400 active members on this board and we have different opinions on various subjects. And Jon has to plan for example a set list for one show on the tour, which is roughly 20 000 people each night. He can’t fulfill wishes of 400 die-hards so how harder it is to fulfill wishes of 20 000 people at each show and about 2 million on each tour? Impossible. There will always be someone disappointed about the performance at the show or the songs on the new album. And that person has the right to feel like that, but that’s not the proof that the show or the album was terrible. After all even we – die-hards - do not speak with one voice.

Originally Posted by Panda

Now lets leave fairytale world for a bit.

Any art has every right to be graded. I have a few friends who love Adam Sandler, and enjoy his recent work.

Movie critics say something different. And so do I.

Some people just are okay with shitty art. Some people would rather pintrest paint by numbers generic bullshit to a picasso.

Some people on this board are okay with shitty, passionless music, and even like it. Great for you, i'm glad you enjoy it. In fact, millions enjoy it. For some reason or another Drake is where he is. For some reason or another people like What About Now. Same thing in my eyes.


Whatever.


But don't go tell people that just because someone likes something, or a group of people like something, means its any good. Or tell people that "anything Jon does is good"
. thats bullshit.

Originally Posted by Walleris

That post is six years old, was it really worth it?