[jazzsta]

Up to 2003, they were really a band. They went rehearsed all together the new songs, developping ideas organically. After that, came the Shanks digital era, where it seems that progressively, more and more of the songs had only been "acoustic demos" before recording them - one instrument at a time - onto an audio mixing software.

We can understand this change just by listening to the different instruments - how many parts become sort of generic and repetitive after a while. Whereas even in a record like Crush, the rhythms and the basslines, and the keyboard licks, and of course the guitar licks, they vary a lot - giving much more ... soul to the output.

[Danitandi]

Currently metallica, other bands and festivals are uploading entire concerts from the archives for the purpose of raising funds to donate to people or entities in need... the videos are released "live" and people donate throughout the concert...

Well, my question is: why doesn't bon jovi do the same with the concerts in the archive?

Let's be honest, not everything has been considered to be officially released... and it doesn't make sense to store your files and leave them there.

[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by Danitandi

Currently metallica, other bands and festivals are uploading entire concerts from the archives for the purpose of raising funds to donate to people or entities in need... the videos are released "live" and people donate throughout the concert...

Well, my question is: why doesn't bon jovi do the same with the concerts in the archive?

Let's be honest, not everything has been considered to be officially released... and it doesn't make sense to store your files and leave them there.

These bands are throwing concerts from their last tour, not old things. If this happens with Bon Jovi, we would get some concerts from his last THINFS tour or WAN, or some concert that is already on DVD or Bluray like Madison Square Garden 2008. So I don't think fans are interested with this.

[Danitandi]

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi

These bands are throwing concerts from their last tour, not old things. If this happens with Bon Jovi, we would get some concerts from his last THINFS tour or WAN, or some concert that is already on DVD or Bluray like Madison Square Garden 2008. So I don't think fans are interested with this.

Mostly it's like that, but metallica has also uploaded a concert from 2009...so anything from the circle tour is interesting because it was the band's last big tour

[Rdkopper]

As far as live material goes, there is definitely no shortage of it.

Between Bsides, Special Editions, Ripped audio from DVDs, TV performances, potshots, web-casts, radio broadcasts and leaked proshots, there is an over abundance of material out there.

Anything new is always welcomed and the further back it goes, the better.

I really want unreleased material

[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by Danitandi

Mostly it's like that, but metallica has also uploaded a concert from 2009...so anything from the circle tour is interesting because it was the band's last big tour

I know, but that 2009 concert in Copenhagen was already released on Bluray many years ago. But his point could be valid, since Metallica usually launch some live performances from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s that had never been known before.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

As far as live material goes, there is definitely no shortage of it.

Between Bsides, Special Editions, Ripped audio from DVDs, TV performances, potshots, web-casts, radio broadcasts and leaked proshots, there is an over abundance of material out there.

Anything new is always welcomed and the far back it goes, the better.

I really want unreleased material

I can't imagine they throwing a show where Richie is in it. And that's a problem, because since he left, the tours have become very boring and repetitive.

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by Danitandi

Well, my question is: why doesn't bon jovi do the same with the concerts in the archive?

Because unlike what they'd like you to believe I think they really don't have much laying around. Metallica have been saving all of their shows in good quality and have about 15 years of recordings in their archive.

Sure, Bon Jovi probably has an archive with footage of plenty of shows, but I very much doubt anything is finished and sounds listenable. The band have released about 5 songs in their entire career that haven't been mixed by another party - about every live song that was a b-side was already mixed for TV or radio broadcast. I very much doubt there's an archive of stuff with full concerts out there.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[Walleris]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !



Because unlike what they'd like you to believe I think they really don't have much laying around. Metallica have been saving all of their shows in good quality and have about 15 years of recordings in their archive.

Sure, Bon Jovi probably has an archive with footage of plenty of shows, but I very much doubt anything is finished and sounds listenable. The band have released about 5 songs in their entire career that haven't been mixed by another party - about every live song that was a b-side was already mixed for TV or radio broadcast. I very much doubt there's an archive of stuff with full concerts out there.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

What about the times when they would release single-song pro-shot videos on bonjovi.com or YouTube in the 2000s? I mean, videos like these: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFtz4RjTT0"]1,

2

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3

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4

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5

, etc.

Were they not recording full shows (only selected songs), were they not archiving them or do you consider these unlistenable, even if they do have it high quality?

I know this discussion was mainly about stuff that's not already out there, but I'd still happily take a good recording of a full show, even if we already have a song or two from that said show.

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Walleris

What about the times when they would release single-song pro-shot videos on bonjovi.com or YouTube in the 2000s? I mean, videos like these: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFtz4RjTT0"]1,

,

,

,

, etc.

Were they not recording full shows (only selected songs), were they not archiving them or do you consider these unlistenable, even if they do have it high quality?

I know this discussion was mainly about stuff that's not already out there, but I'd still happily take a good recording of a full show, even if we already have a song or two from that said show.

Are you talking just Audio? Or Video too?

Sticky talking audio, I think there is a window where they started to record more, after the 80s and 90s.

They might have stuff in the vaults from those days but it's probably all just on one track and if they can't mix it, they won't release it.

I asked Obie when I saw them in Philly a couple of year ago and that was his reason for not releasing a soundboard of Cadillac Man.

I don't even think that all the snippets on Access All Areas were mixed.

Obie does have all the Red Bank shows but I didn't ask him about the conditions. I just asked him if he had them... He told me that they were converting all the vault stuff to digital and organizing it all so someone else can take it over when he's gone.





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[bonjovi90]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Are you talking just Audio? Or Video too?

Sticky talking audio, I think there is a window where they started to record more, after the 80s and 90s.

They might have stuff in the vaults from those days but it's probably all just on one track and if they can't mix it, they won't release it.

I asked Obie when I saw them in Philly a couple of year ago and that was his reason for not releasing a soundboard of Cadillac Man.

I don't even think that all the snippets on Access All Areas were mixed.

Obie does have all the Red Bank shows but I didn't ask him about the conditions. I just asked him if he had them... He told me that they were converting all the vault stuff to digital and organizing it all so someone else can take it over when he's gone.


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The less Obie can mix, the better
They should just send that material to my friend Damned TV and me and we'll show them how it's done No reason why imperfect material can't at least be brought to Youtube.