[Alphavictim]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

HAND tried really hard to be The Killers and Green Day to me, more than Avril.

https://youtu.be/qOJF0-5XWQ4

Not sayingy you are wrong, but listen to the verses, the vocal melody, the arrangement, THE MODULATION TO MAJOR FOR THE CHORUS... this is very very very Shanks-era BJ. And he co-wrote and co-produced the track! Of course, that track certainly was aiming for Green Day as well, most likely.

I've been very back and forth if Bounce used seven string guitars or baritones. I feel like Richie has more of a history of baritone guitars lower in the mix (Especially all over the Bounce album and Story of My Life) but I could be wrong. But alas I',m certain there is a standard guitar tuned Drop D and another potentialyl baritone guitar if you listen to the 5.1 stems. The low tuned ones are very muddy and growly and to me were the big reason the songs didn't work live.

It's probably everything of the above considering how overproduced and busy the record sounds at times. It's just funny that the press statements made it all go like "oh yeah Richie brought a new guitar, this is why the record sounds that way", and then it's just full of drop D riffage.

[GabrielC]

Originally Posted by Thinny

You know, I think if they had been a little braver with the single choices instead of playing it safe (It's My Life pt 2, followed by middle of the road radio song, followed by big ballad - yawn) that the album would actually have done better. I think something like The Distance actually had cross over potential circa 2002/2003

I think they should have just believed in the album and tried to sell the singles properly, instead of dropping everything because it tanked in the US. Bounce did fine in South America, Europe and Japan.

[Alphavictim]

Jon did believe in Everyday, big time. To a fault, IMO - when it tanked, he pretty much considered the album a failure. The shitty videos probably didn't help, either! For my money, Misunderstood is a much much much better song that tries to do the same thing Say It Isn't So did, but the other two singles (which aped their Crush equivalents) were worse than their "originals"

[Captain_jovi]

That's the band's MO. If an album "tanks" to them, it's on to the next. Look how close together Bounce and This Left....The Circle and the Greatest Hits, HAND and Lost Highway were from each other. Christ, Crush tour ended in summer of 01 and work began on Bounce a few weeks later.

[liljovi93]

Funnily enough, I was watching Shepherds Bush show yesterday and forgot how Jon said 'Everyday' he heard is going to number 1 in the UK or something. It didn't. It was 5 (I think) so that not doing as well as he thought probably hurt a little.

Single choices are always a tricky one in regards to Bon Jovi. So many others I'd choose over what they did but can see why they chose some.

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[Thinny]

To be fair the decision to stop promoting an album would more than likely be a label decision rather than a Jon decision. That's the way labels were starting to becoming in the 2000s - if the first song didn't hit big then they didn't push anymore money into it and moved on to the next thing..

[bonjovi90]

That's true but the fact remains that they didn't stand behind their albums continuously like they had done before. In the 90's, KTF didn't hit everywhere yet the amount and selection of songs remained steady more or less throughout the year. TD didn't have an impact in the US yet that was where the amount of songs started increasing rapidly in the setlists throughout the summer.

After that, it was downgraded and I often blame them starting in the US for not sticking with it. Not saying I wanted to hear all these songs or think they are good ones, but regulars and semi-regulars had often become rarities by the time a tour for an album hit Europe.
Bounce: Right Side Of Wrong, Joey, Hook Me Up (the latter still on occasion)
HAND: Welcome To Wherever You Are, Novocaine, Last Cigarette
LH: Seat Next To You, Everybody's Broken, One Step Closer, Till We Ain't Strangers Anymore (some were rare in the US already, but never even played outside of it)
TC: Thorn In My Side, Work For The Working Man (that one I can live with), Bullet
WAN: What's Left Of Me, Army Of One, I'm With You

[Thinny]

I just think it was a different time. People just weren't buying record like they were in the 80s and 90s and if people don't know songs then they fall flat and get dropped. Album promo campaigns were starting to last 6 months instead of 2 years. KTF and These Days was different in Europe as they could have played any album track from those records and the majority of the crowd would have known them, as they were so huge here. The later records didn't really have the staying power. At this point, as much as Jon hated it, they were starting to become a nostalgia band to most of the audience as a lot of them just wanted to hear the hits and the songs that they already knew.

[Alphavictim]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

That's the band's MO. If an album "tanks" to them, it's on to the next. Look how close together Bounce and This Left....The Circle and the Greatest Hits, HAND and Lost Highway were from each other. Christ, Crush tour ended in summer of 01 and work began on Bounce a few weeks later.

They had new product out every year for a couple of years after the "comeback" (= Crush). I'd assume some of that was contractual. In practice, they milked the last big years of physical record sales for all they were worth.

Also, Bounce wasn't represented at all on the 2 disc Greatest Hits record, whereas The Circle had, what, 3 songs on it? So that record got dropped especially hard. When's the last time they played Everyday live? They did Undivided afterwards AFAIR

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Alphavictim

They had new product out every year for a couple of years after the "comeback" (= Crush). I'd assume some of that was contractual. In practice, they milked the last big years of physical record sales for all they were worth.

Also, Bounce wasn't represented at all on the 2 disc Greatest Hits record, whereas The Circle had, what, 3 songs on it? So that record got dropped especially hard. When's the last time they played Everyday live? They did Undivided afterwards AFAIR

True but look at the time period. You can admit ten years later something is a failure but you can't do it a few months after. When We Were Beautiful making the greatest hits second disc was wild but that probably needed a ton of padding (Lost Highway, in no way shape or form, was a hit) but Blood on Blood was barely a single and made it so it's all very....weird. Misunderstood had more of a reason to be there than those 3.