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Old 12-11-2018, 01:45 AM
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Some quite good points on both sides here, and I personally wouldn't taken the original Bon Jovi over Bounce any day up until 2011. For me no one could match Bon Jovi on a good day even then, I was on such a high after Mannheim for two weeks.

But to say that, on a musical level, they can't hold a candle to 2018 Bon Jovi, is actually almost an insult. And that's not about trashing the current line-up or being disrespectful to Tico or David. Both sound like cover bands, with the difference of one of them being ridiculously expensive.

About people not liking songs being matched with an orchestra, I get that, each to their own. However, I'm curious to see the reactions of those one day when Jon really let's Dave make a Bon Jovi musical on Broadway

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This post right here is the exact problem with today's music and how these singing competitions destroyed the entire music industry... Just because Oli can hit a note or two better than Jon in 1995 doesn't make him a better singer by any means.

Back in 1995 Jon had better control, zero breathing issues even when running around the stage, his musical phrasing was spot on, his tone is his signature obviously, but most of all the guy could deliver a song with passion like no other...

Oli's tone is whiny, his accent is thick and his voice isn't nearly as perfect as you're making it seem. He does weird things with his voice to get to certain places which at times, doesn't sound natural..

He's just okay... I'd take a Sydney 1987 Jon voice any day over a 2018 Oli one. And not because it's Jon... It's because of everything I mentioned above...



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Spot on! They're probably the single best BJ cover band, and Olli is a great singer in his own right, but his voice/technique just doesn't cut it for me as a JBJ "replacement".
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Final warning: Any more crap like this and it's a few days off.
Are you talking to yourself? Or what is that all about?
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Old 12-12-2018, 01:38 AM
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Some quite good points on both sides here, and I personally wouldn't taken the original Bon Jovi over Bounce any day up until 2011. For me no one could match Bon Jovi on a good day even then, I was on such a high after Mannheim for two weeks.

But to say that, on a musical level, they can't hold a candle to 2018 Bon Jovi, is actually almost an insult. And that's not about trashing the current line-up or being disrespectful to Tico or David. Both sound like cover bands, with the difference of one of them being ridiculously expensive.

About people not liking songs being matched with an orchestra, I get that, each to their own. However, I'm curious to see the reactions of those one day when Jon really let's Dave make a Bon Jovi musical on Broadway

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And what is your reason to call BJ cover band today? Because of Jons voice or because Richie is not there?
An insult is to call great band a cover band without any evidence. We all know what is the cover band and BJ arent that for sure.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:36 AM
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And what is your reason to call BJ cover band today? Because of Jons voice or because Richie is not there?
An insult is to call great band a cover band without any evidence. We all know what is the cover band and BJ arent that for sure.
Actually both reasons to some extent. What made Bon Jovi songs and live shows special was the way Jon carried a song (in terms of phrasing, performance etc.), his voice blending together with Richie's and the way Richie's guitar playing defined a certain song.
That's currently all not really there, though I think Jon's at least getting his frontman attitude back and that could be a lot.
And I don't say they're a cover band, I said that some of their performances sound like a cover band in recent years. Simply because their replacement guitarists aren't fitting to the style that made their songs. Richie's gone and most likely won't come back, so it's time to move on, I'm all for that.
Phil may be good on some of the older songs which require fast, shredding solos, but his style simply doesn't fit the ballad/more bluesy songs like I'll Be There For You, Bed of Roses, Make A Memory because he simply comes from a totally different background.
But the main problem for me is Shanks. His playing is just lazy in many parts and I think he actually is capable of more.
I've said this before: in 2015, as bad as those shows may have been in other aspects, the chemistry between Phil and Matt O'Ree was great on stage. Matt's got that bluesy approach that melted well with Phil's playing, they created an energy on stage and I think with this combination, the band could sound much better today. A shame that they didn't stick to this combo.
Or one of the guitarists Jon currently uses on his solo acoustic concerts for Runaway tours. The playing is spot on and at least one of these voices harmonize very nicely with Jon's. Phil, Dave and Everett may be good vocalists on their own, but their voices don't blend with Jon's.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:58 AM
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Spot on! They're probably the single best BJ cover band, and Olli is a great singer in his own right, but his voice/technique just doesn't cut it for me as a JBJ "replacement".
I don't disagree with you here at all, for me it's never been about a replacement rather than an alternative. The funny thing is that Olli himself says that he doesn't sound like Jon and hence they don't even try to replicate every move/look like some other bands do (and which makes most of them look foolish), but they want to give songs their own spin.
Up until 2011 or so, it was just a way to bridge the gaps in the time Bon Jovi didn't tour here, since then it's been some sort of coexistence for me.
Simply because both cover different grounds by now.
Bon Jovi is the band who've changed my life and they'll always be in that spot and even though it may be some nostalgia in there by now, I'll go there to to feel that anticipation etc. again that was there when I saw my first concert in the Olympic Stadium.
But what made me a fan of their music were mostly the albums from SWW through TD and the energy of the songs. And I gotta say that sometimes I've missed just that there in the live shows like on some Runaway performances in 2011 or I'd Die For You in Cologne 2013. You know, when you want to singalong and have to stop again and again because the chorus is sung so much slower live.
That in-your-face energy of something like In These Arms in the original key, the key-change in prayer, the screams at the end of Runaway, the high "I guess I'd rather die than fade away" part in These Days or simply just a song like Fear, Stick To Your Guns or Undivided - that's why I enjoy going to their shows so much. As I said, it's different, but it fills a void the original act has left.

Funny thing about the accent though: Many get hung up on Olli's accent and some of his pronounciation etc. is weird, but I had not realized how much we had gotten used to Jon doing similar things all the time. On a family trip about two years ago, I had put on a Soundboard recording of either 2010 or 2011 (may have been Lisbon 2011) and my cousin, who likes Bon Jovi a lot (though simply by listening to them on the radio) all of a sudden said: "is that a cover band?". I told him no and he said "wow, he surely sounds quite different live than on the records, his voice is much more nasal and his accent/pronounciation (I think he meant Jon using twang) is different as well." I had gotten used to Jon sounding the way he did live due to tons of live videos we've all watched that it was the most natural thing to me, but to casuals it was quite a difference. I think the same can be said about Olli. When you've seen a lot of shows, you've just grown accustomed to it just like we've gotten used to Jon sounding the way he does live.
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Old 12-12-2018, 03:48 AM
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I honestly I have started liking the accent, etc Jon sometimes used on OWN/Crush tour. Depends a lot on what part of song, etc though for me.

I prefer LOAP of 95 for example or some Hey God from 2008-2011 (I don't know why really but could be the opera way he sang it.).

One thing I just thought about: If Alec was never fired and never did any mistakes or anything.. When do you think he would have left the band instead (Alec liking glammy rock comes to mind) or would he still be here in the band.

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Old 12-12-2018, 04:17 AM
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I honestly I have started liking the accent, etc Jon sometimes used on OWN/Crush tour. Depends a lot on what part of song, etc though for me.

I prefer LOAP of 95 for example or some Hey God from 2008-2011 (I don't know why really but could be the opera way he sang it.).

One thing I just thought about: If Alec was never fired and never did any mistakes or anything.. When do you think he would have left the band instead (Alec liking glammy rock comes to mind) or would he still be here in the band.
That's actually an interesting question. I think he was also physically drained, at least he looked a whole lot more unhealthy in 1993. But I think that, since he seemed more attached to the band's rock attitude, he might've called it quits with Crush. But you never know, besides that magazine interview in 1994, he never really spilled his guts about his side of why he was unhappy in the band.
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