[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

The whole album was overloaded with them chasing trends and fashions at the time. Stuff like Complicated was mid-2000's rock sound by numbers as well.

Agreed. At that time there was a girl, named Ashlee Simpson, and she had an album of 2004 with some hit singles. I think it was also produced by Shanks, and the album sounded very similar to the Have A Nice Day album. They basically used the same style of production.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Agreed. Not sure why one would take the piss on I Am just because they liked Nothing. There's plenty of songs that could've been left out in favour of the latter. I really don't get why stuff like Wildflower and Last Cigarette was put on there and someone thought "oh that's much better than the album version we pulled last year".

I like I Am and never understood that about... we're going to remove Nothing because it's similar to I Am - I Want To Be loved... however we have a few songs on the album that are repetitive... Last Cigarrete, Complicated, Story Of My Life ... this last one is the only worthwhile of the three.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Nothing tends to get the Cadillac Man-treatment from time to time. Or the outtake phenomenon if you will. It's a song not on the album, so it's something rare and people tend to make these bigger than they are.

Maybe, but it's something that doesn't happen to me with Mona Lisa, for example, I don't give a shit about that cheesy pop song. As if it never gets to see the light. I don't mind. However, look, we have the leaked Nothing song, and I'm still not satisfied with that, I want to hear it at its best, so yes, maybe it's just a fan thing, but as you say, Nothing was better than Last Cigarette or Wildflowers.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I've read comments on here how Cadillac Man would've been the massive hit single had it been on NJ. Or how Ain't Done Yet is the big classic Bon Jovi song that's much better than all of the last album.

Well, it's something that many fans are wrong about. Cadillac Man is a song that was written for a soundtrack in late 1989. It has nothing to do with NJ except that it was written in the middle of touring, and I repeat, for a movie. I can't speak for the others, but I love that song, maybe it's not the best in their catalog, but it's one of those songs that I would love to have, it's definitely much better than Billy or Ordinary People. Cadillac Man has something nostalgic in that tune that makes it irresistible to me. About Ain't Done Yet, you're right, people freak out a bit, but I don't blame them, it's a new song, and it always has that reaction, besides I don't consider it an aberration either.. feels like a rough demo like Welcome To The good Times.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I'm sure Nothing would've gotten a decent amount of radio airplay but that's where it would've ended as well. In fact, choosing HAND with its iconic smirk and Who Says as singles was the best they could've squeezed out of the album in terms of promotion at the time. There's always the tracks we as fans like more and I personally love Dirty Little Secret, but I don't imagine it would've made a big dent in the charts. Nothing might've achieved something on the level of Everyday, but not really much more.

Exactly that. Maybe it wouldn't have been a single, but damn, it deserved to be on the official tracklist. Because this one makes the album more solid, like Crush with Just Older, Bounce with The Distance, Lost Highway with Any Other Day, The Circle with Brokenpromiseland....and so on. Later Jon can choose to play it live or not, but the album would have been much more solid and satisfying.

[Captain_jovi]

A sick part of me is glad Nothing isn't on the album. Whether or not you like Wildlflower or Last Cigaratte, they add something different to the overall sound. I love HAND but my god is it a same-y album with a lot of the songs being almost interchangeable.

I really do like Nothing but the way people dog on Jon for being bad at A&R as if they released the song we enjoy would rocket them to the top of the charts and get massive airplay....They made a buch of very of-the-times albums and didn't get them very far. The band became so uncool to the general public and they might have just tried too hard to be hip.

[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

A sick part of me is glad Nothing isn't on the album. Whether or not you like Wildlflower or Last Cigaratte, they add something different to the overall sound. I love HAND but my god is it a same-y album with a lot of the songs being almost interchangeable.

I really do like Nothing but the way people dog on Jon for being bad at A&R as if they released the song we enjoy would rocket them to the top of the charts and get massive airplay....They made a buch of very of-the-times albums and didn't get them very far. The band became so uncool to the general public and they might have just tried too hard to be hip.

You're probably right, who are we to tell an artist what songs to make on the album. I think an artist has to choose for himself, and not his fans.

Now, don't blame the fans for loving the songs that didn't make the album. That's a good thing, and I hope that Jon and the Jovi camp see it that way. Fans are interested in those songs that didn't make the album and never made it into an official release. Therefore, they could please us to give us those songs that we like so much in the best quality they can give us. I'm not just talking about Nothing or that unicorn called Cadillac Man. I'd also like a release of SWW outtakes. I love Game Of The Heart, you can't resist that, it has such an 80s flavor. That's why I would love a deluxe edition of SWW like NJ super Deluxe 2014.

Hopefully they will find a way to launch these types of things that we want and many others that we have never even heard of.

[Roll]

I mentioned I am because I remember some interview where Jon said Nothing was ditched because too similar to that song. I would have been all in favor of Nothing instead of Wildflower which is to me the cursed song of HAND, as Fast cars is for The Circle.

[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by Roll

I mentioned I am because I remember some interview where Jon said Nothing was ditched because too similar to that song. I would have been all in favor of Nothing instead of Wildflower which is to me the cursed song of HAND, as Fast cars is for The Circle.

It's a shame bonus tracks were never released for The Circle. I hope those songs that didn't make the album will be included in the next box set as well. I never got to listen to them and it could be very interesting.

[Alphavictim]

While Wildflower is not great, Fast Cars and Live Before You Die flat out suck! I have no idea why these two are on The Circle.

[Javier]

There's always been a few songs that I love and see the majority of people either being indifferent towards them or hating them. Wildflower and especially Fast Cars are 2 of those to me. Something about Fast Cars that just gets to me. Live before you die however has always been a skip for me, kind of a chore to get through a full listen....

[steel_horse75]

Hand was the start of the slide to mediocrity. Such a dull album bar a handful of tracks. Personally it’s their 4th worst behind 2020, THINFS and The circle…..which leads me onto……

The circle is ok but even Jon says it doesn’t hold up. Too many forgettable tracks and made a few worst album of the year lists.


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[Faceman]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Nothing tends to get the Cadillac Man-treatment from time to time. Or the outtake phenomenon if you will. It's a song not on the album, so it's something rare and people tend to make these bigger than they are.

Yes and no. A song not making it on the album doesn't always make it one of the best just for the sake of not being on the album. If we take the New Jersey outtakes as an example, I think none of them is good enough to be on the album. But with the post-2000 records I think the biggest problem is that Jon usually pulled some of the best songs off.
That doesn't mean that every outtake is one of the best songs. But I think we can agree that (at least) with Crush onwards there's minimum 1 outtake that would have been a way better fit than let's say 40% of what made it on the album.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I've read comments on here how Cadillac Man would've been the massive hit single had it been on NJ.

I absolutely love that song. But I don't think it would have done any good as a single.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Or how Ain't Done Yet is the big classic Bon Jovi song that's much better than all of the last album.

Nah, it's the same crap like the rest on that album.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I'm sure Nothing would've gotten a decent amount of radio airplay but that's where it would've ended as well. In fact, choosing HAND with its iconic smirk and Who Says as singles was the best they could've squeezed out of the album in terms of promotion at the time. There's always the tracks we as fans like more and I personally love Dirty Little Secret, but I don't imagine it would've made a big dent in the charts. Nothing might've achieved something on the level of Everyday, but not really much more.

Well, it's a discussion full of "if's" and we will never know who is right.
But I don't agree with you saying HAND and Who Says were the best singles.
HAND was a great one - no doubt about that. But Who Says was only great in the US and even there just because of the country version.
In Europe it didn't do any good (for the BJ standards back then) except the UK with #5. But the rest didn't care for that song. With it being #54 in Germany it's on the same level like Only Lonely did in the US in 1985. Even Misunderstood (#35) and All About Loving You (#21) did better.

I'm not saying Nothing would have been a #1-single.
But I really think it would have reached Top-10, maybe Top-20 at worst and would have given the album another boost. At least much more than with the singles they had chosen.

[rolo_tomachi]

Originally Posted by GabrielC

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf4r_xuOlgJ/

This means NOTHING, but I wasn't expecting it

Maybe it means something after all.