Appetite for Destruction's influence on New Jersey

Right here's my take on the topic.

It has some validity to be honest. Particularly with Sweet Child O' Mine. I do think BJ have taken something from this song - and in particular the video. The look, the movement, the style of the video. The video was made in 1987. New Jersey was written in '88. This could be a Bon Jovi video from the NJ era.

The rest of the album has no baring or influence on NJ whatsoever.

Am I in the F---ing Twilight Zone?

Dude it was the 80's..... They all looked, sounded, dressed, and made videos a like.... There were 50 of them all doing the same thing.

They all copied off each other. As far as videos go, no band makes their own. I don’t care who comes back with “we’ll the bands create the concept”… Bull Shit. The bands just show up.

While Bon Jovi were killing themselves on tour, I think the last thing they were doing was watching Guns-N-Roses videos and thinking of ways to copy their concepts.

As far as your clothing comment goes.... WRONG

GnR were drunken dirt bags. Poison and Motley were pretty.

Guns were in their own category, doing their own thing. Axel was too pretty to be Metallica but their music was too heavy and raw to be Poison. They were awesome.

I can't even count how many times you contradict yourself in one single post. And I can't even imagine what is going on in your head when you attempt to make a statement. But, as Salvador Dali said to Alice Cooper: "Perfect! Confusion is the best form of communication!"

Point 'em all out and I'll justify them all. The problem with all you people here is that, everything is black and white because you are basing things off stuff you read from the internet and refuse to looking at the big picture.

For Example, if I say that Bon Jovi didn't copy GNR but they all copied each other in the 80’s, that's not a contradiction.

People subconsciously copy styles. You go to a store and purchase a shirt because you see people wearing it and it looks cool and you feel like you are in 2012. You probably have no idea where you saw it or who was wearing it but you just know it's the style.

Same with Bon Jovi. I don't think they copied any 1 particular artist. I doubt they were watching the "Sweet Child Of Mine" video and said "You Know, Axel's ass looks really tight in those leather pants; I have to go to Bloomingdales now and get them"

Bon Jovi weren't fashion designers. They obviously didn't design their own styles. They had people do that for them.

The problem I continue to have (not to sound like a broken record) is that you didn't grow up in that time. You are taking the two biggest bands from 1988 and making it seem like they were the only two bands in the world.

If you turned on MTV in 1988, there were 50 of them playing continuously. If Bon Jovi were to copy a style, you are picking Guns only because they were the biggest but are completely ignoring the 49 others. What about Slaughter, Extreme, Motley, Poison, Ratt, Kix, White Snake, Skid Row, Queensryche, Tesla, Night Ranger, Autograph, Dokken, White Lion, Great White, Cinderella, Steelheart, Winger.... And many more. (Damm I miss those days)

How do you know they are not copying one of them? I'll answer for you... YOU DON'T! Unless there is some concrete article or fact admitting to it, this post is complete trash and it means nothing. I grew up during the 80's and they all looked the same because that was the style. Just like the way kids wear their baseball caps sideways with the official stickers still attached. Are you going to look back 25 years from now and say that Eminem stole that from JayZ? No! It was just the style.

I didn't grow up in the 80s - well I did, but I was too young to be into music and "the scene", my interest in music started in the early 90s - but I'm all with Rdkopper on his previous post.

As I said before, there's a thing called "Zeitgeist". There's a style.

In the mid-90s, ballads, acoustic guitars and singer-songwriter stuff was "en vogue". There was a similar spirit throughout pop/rock-albums. It's not just "These Days". Take for example the "Pure Instinct" album by the Scorpions (released in mid 1996), it is "their These Days", means full of ballads and melancholic stuff, totally not your typical Scorpions album. "You & I" was a big hit. Did they copy Bon Jovi's sound? Probably not.

There's a similar vibe going on on Bryan Adam's "18 'til I die" record or Roxette's "Crash! Boom! Bang!" (1994). Or take "Jagged Little Pill", Joan Osborne's "Relish" (1995) or Sheryl Crows selftitled 1996 album. Yeah, we're in a different category now, but there's a similar vibe that was the sound of those 2 years. Can you say who started the trend? It was just there and people get influenced by it.

Did Bon Jovi try to sound like a modern boy band with "It's My Life"? Probably. On the other hand, it was the sound of the time.

Not that I want to start a debate with you by any means, but where exactly did I say that Bon Jovi 'copied' Guns N' Roses? Being influenced is a totally different thing than copying a band. And yes, I agree with Simon, there is such a thing like Zeitgeist. Some people get the ball rolling, and some people add to it. Bon Jovi pushed the ball towards POP with Slippery. Guns N' Roses took from there and went back to blues and garage rock. Which Bon Jovi did as well on New Jersey, without leaning out of the window too much. That's all I said in my OP. Now whether that was because of Guns N' Roses or simply because of a natural evolution of the band is a question which I addressed and I was hoping to discuss. It could have been Tesla, who knows? They had more of an edge, they also played loads of acoustic stuff. Maybe they influenced Guns N' Roses in the first place.

And I apologise. You don't deserve quite such a civilised insult-free reply from me but I'll try to behave. Going forward - your whole "I grew up in this time" argument is retarded. People who grew up during Hitler's rule in Germany thought he was doing the right thing. It's history that allows you to draw conclusions. It's hindsight that makes you smarter. And 25 years later is a good time to reflect, take out all the perceived biases of "growing up to be a metalhead" and actually analyse what was happening in the music world. Simon expressed it in one word. You needed 10 posts, a load of terrible insults, and a couple of "I grew up in the 80s!" to say the same thing. Maybe something to think about.

P.S.: For someone who grew up in the 80s, you should definitely know that it's AXL Rose, rather than AXEL. Just sayin'

This is becoming one of those pointless discussions. I don't agree with anything you said and at this point, don't care.

Jovi and Guns were two different bands doing their own things. Neither one was influenced by each other nor did they piggyback off one another's music.

With my "Zeitgeist" bit I actually agreed with both of you, which shows that in some points you aren't exactly too far from each other.

I agree with DevilsSon that you don't have to have grown up in a certain era to analyse it. It might help, but the perspective from 20 years later might be more objective, further from your own genuine experiences in your own subculture that you attended (by parameters such as country, state, friends, school, parents... etc.).

From Wikipedia:

W. Axl Rose (born William Bruce Rose, Jr.; raised as William Bruce Bailey; February 6, 1962) is an American singer-songwriter and musician. He is the lead vocalist and only remaining original member of the hard rock band Guns N' Roses, with whom he enjoyed great success and recognition in the late 1980s and early 1990s, before disappearing from the public eye for several years.

See, it is AXL. No 'E' in the spelling! Typical, disagreeing with everything, especially FACTS!

That's all you got? A spelling mistake that you actually mentioned in your prior response. Whatever dude! You haven't provided one fact to back-up your theory "Appetite for Destruction's influence on New Jersey"

You are boring me now.....


Oh and BTY - Check your title genius. It's Appetite, not Apetite