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Old 05-10-2004, 12:49 AM
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and his teeth whiter whiter everyday shining from every magazine cover and in every C-class lawyer soap.
If that's what bothers you I don't want to see your teeth, and fortunately I never will.
but when you seem to concentrate more on your white teeth (meaning the whole image etc) and not so much on writing good music that can be a problem, yes.
i kind of agree with stranger with most of what he said. bon jovi have sold out. they have never been "low sellers", as someone already said, but at least they were a mainstream rock band that wrote great rock songs- like some other old rock bands. now they try to keep up with today's music industry and they mainly write (or they mainly release as i want to believe) crappy popish songs. i'm sure they can do better than that, they just have to want it as well imo.
Jim Bon Jovi's common sense of the day: if they don't write stuff that alot of people are going to buy then they will be subsequently dropped and we'll hear nothing from them at all.

People just assume they've sat down and said hey lets aim for a younger crowd which isn't necesrilly the case. Maybe they just feel like doing some light records or maybe they just aren't goign through enough to write another these days.
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People just assume they've sat down and said hey lets aim for a younger crowd which isn't necesrilly the case. Maybe they just feel like doing some light records or maybe they just aren't goign through enough to write another these days.
I think with Bounce they did think too much about what people wanted to hear. Jon himself said that record was supposed to be a lot darker, since the first songs were inspired by 9/11, but then they realised the album would be released a year later and started thinking about what the people would want then. So they forced themselves to do some more optimistic rock'n'roll when their inspiration was leading them some other place.
As a result, and above all imo, Bounce lacks spontaneousness.
They need to let themselves play.

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Old 05-10-2004, 05:45 PM
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People just assume they've sat down and said hey lets aim for a younger crowd which isn't necesrilly the case. Maybe they just feel like doing some light records or maybe they just aren't goign through enough to write another these days.
I think with Bounce they did think too much about what people wanted to hear. Jon himself said that record was supposed to be a lot darker, since the first songs were inspired by 9/11, but then they realised the album would be released a year later and started thinking about what the people would want then. So they forced themselves to do some more optimistic rock'n'roll when their inspiration was leading them some other place.
As a result, and above all imo, Bounce lacks spontaneousness.
They need to let themselves play.

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the band don't buy the records, the public do.

It's like walt disney sayign you know what I think it would be cool if snow white died a horrible slow death instead of being saved even if the kids want her to live.
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People just assume they've sat down and said hey lets aim for a younger crowd which isn't necesrilly the case. Maybe they just feel like doing some light records or maybe they just aren't goign through enough to write another these days.
I think with Bounce they did think too much about what people wanted to hear. Jon himself said that record was supposed to be a lot darker, since the first songs were inspired by 9/11, but then they realised the album would be released a year later and started thinking about what the people would want then. So they forced themselves to do some more optimistic rock'n'roll when their inspiration was leading them some other place.
As a result, and above all imo, Bounce lacks spontaneousness.
They need to let themselves play.

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the band don't buy the records, the public do.

It's like walt disney sayign you know what I think it would be cool if snow white died a horrible slow death instead of being saved even if the kids want her to live.
Yes, but that's not how artists are supposed to work is it?
They're supposed to go with their inspiration, not some marketing strategy. Especially now they have enough money to live like sultans, they should free the wild horses in them .

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Old 05-10-2004, 07:55 PM
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People just assume they've sat down and said hey lets aim for a younger crowd which isn't necesrilly the case. Maybe they just feel like doing some light records or maybe they just aren't goign through enough to write another these days.
I think with Bounce they did think too much about what people wanted to hear. Jon himself said that record was supposed to be a lot darker, since the first songs were inspired by 9/11, but then they realised the album would be released a year later and started thinking about what the people would want then. So they forced themselves to do some more optimistic rock'n'roll when their inspiration was leading them some other place.
As a result, and above all imo, Bounce lacks spontaneousness.
They need to let themselves play.

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the band don't buy the records, the public do.

It's like walt disney sayign you know what I think it would be cool if snow white died a horrible slow death instead of being saved even if the kids want her to live.
Yes, but that's not how artists are supposed to work is it?
They're supposed to go with their inspiration, not some marketing strategy. Especially now they have enough money to live like sultans, they should free the wild horses in them .

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Forgive me. for a minute there I thought they worked int he music INDUSTRY.

Like it or not. bon Jovi are a product just the same as brintey Spears is and The Beatles were.

Their aim is to sell records, if they happen to try and balance what they want to be doing artistically with what the general public are into then it's not a crime it's actually good business.
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Their aim is to sell records, if they happen to try and balance what they want to be doing artistically with what the general public are into then it's not a crime it's actually good business.
Exactly. I think a lot of you would be a lot more pissed like they are with TLFR if the band would only go for what they want artistically. They do care for what the fans like, that just doesn't mean everyone will be pleased.

And about classics: SWW to a large part is a classic album because it's old since this is what "classic" includes to an extent. No recent release immediately becomes a classic.
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Their aim is to sell records, if they happen to try and balance what they want to be doing artistically with what the general public are into then it's not a crime it's actually good business.
Of course they have to balance between their inspiration and the market, but imo they didn't balance anything with Bounce (unlike past albums, even Crush), it was all for the market.

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Exactly. I think a lot of you would be a lot more pissed like they are with TLFR if the band would only go for what they want artistically.
I would be pissed, but not as much as I was with Bounce.
The thing is TLFR is what they say it's supposed to be, it sounds like it was what they wanted and felt like doing. Even if I'm not that fond of it I don't mind them doing it. I wouldn't want them to go on like TLFR forever but I'd respect them a lot more than if they went on like Bounce.

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And about classics: SWW to a large part is a classic album because it's old since this is what "classic" includes to an extent. No recent release immediately becomes a classic.
A song becomes a classic also because of how it works live, and of how it reaches to non-fans. I can't thing of a song that fills these two criteria in recent albums, apart from It's My Life ( ), when albums from SWW to TD had at least two or three songs that did.

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