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Old 01-05-2016, 07:30 PM
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I don’t have high expectations for this one. Maybe because Richie is not there, but in WAN he wasn’t too, so..
I just want an album with more guitar sound on it. And I mean GUITAR, not that noise they have been using in the last few albums. Maybe Phil X could change this. Or not.
I really don’t know what to expect.
The album was already mostly recorded before the late 2015 mini tour, and Phil hadn't been part of the recording process up until then. He could have been brought in to do overdubs since they continued to tweak the record after but, I think that maybe he won't be involved in this one either, but Shanks did a really respectable job on Burning Bridges.

As far as the topic goes, I'm just hoping for good material that stands up after a few listens, WAN didn't and Burning Bridges even though initially I really liked it, i just didn't find myself going back to it. More guitar sound definitely, better lyrics and just overall stronger material are all things I wish for. While I do see that We don't Run is a step in the right direction for its aggressive delivery, it has too much in it we've already heard before. I'm just hoping the reason it was left out of the new album is that they have better, stronger and more energetic material to choose from....
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Há rumores que o primeiro single do Bon Jovi vai se chamar " Homeland" e vai estrear na página oficial dia 07/02/2016...nada oficial
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While I do see that We don't Run is a step in the right direction for its aggressive delivery, it has too much in it we've already heard before.
Spot on!
I can't understand the enthusiasm for that song either but couldn't put it into words. But what you said is absolutely spot on. It's the aggressive delivery that we have to give Jon credit for since it's something he hasn't done on the last few records. But he did it on Have A Nice Day (song) as well and I can't remember that this song had been glorified the same way.

I hope that we get an album that is fun listening to. I'd be satisfied with more songs in the vein of Fingerprints and I'm Your Man. I don't think that we will ever get big rock songs like Bad Medicine or Hey God (regarding the guitar input, not the songs themselves). I'm waiting for those kind of songs 13 years now and I guess the hardest rock we got were songs like Everyday or HAND.
When they release the new album I'm gonna buy it for sure, but I can't say that I'm too excited about it right now. Right now I don't even read the articles about possible release dates. If the new album comes in 2016 it's fine, if not I'm still ok with it. Their back catalogue is big enough to listen to a different album everyday without getting bored and I have more than enough audio and video stuff from the last 30 years to spend my days with. Oh yeah, and I'm going to work each day as well
It's the same with a new tour. I always loved the tours, was really excited about upcoming dates, following the setlists and traveling hundred of miles to see 3-4 shows a tour. But with Richie's departure this is gone for me. I only went to my 3 shows in 2013 to have some good time with my girl away from everyday-business at home and to meet some Jovi-friends. The upcoming tour I'm only gonna visit 1 show next to my hometown and that's it. The chemistry between Jon and Richie was the heart and soul of this band's performances. This is gone and the quality suffers more and more.
These days I have more fun with listening to or watching older stuff from their glory days than following the recent developments (although I do daily...). Jon never wanted to be a nostalgia act, but that's what the band is nowadays.
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:11 PM
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Spot on!
I can't understand the enthusiasm for that song either but couldn't put it into words. But what you said is absolutely spot on. It's the aggressive delivery that we have to give Jon credit for since it's something he hasn't done on the last few records. But he did it on Have A Nice Day (song) as well and I can't remember that this song had been glorified the same way.
I'm not too enthusiastic about the song, but I do think it is the best Bon Jovi song on BB. Why I give it a little more credit than HAND is because HAND is a carbon copy of It's My Life. And while WDR is similar in dynamics and theme, it has the clever half time chorus and Green Day Holiday "Hey" in the prechorus, not to mention the most enthusiastic vocal from Jon since Undivided... and I think that's what it comes down to more than anything. Anyone that excited about WDR is most likely excited because it sounds like Jon put real heart into the vocals... and he sounds good.
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It appears that Rolling Stone doesn't have high expectations as the tour did not make the top 20 for 2016. (They were still financially the biggest tour in 2013.) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...tours-20160105
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but Shanks did a really respectable job on Burning Bridges.

While I do see that We don't Run is a step in the right direction for its aggressive delivery
I really liked the solos of Shanks in BB, they let me surprised. But when I ask for more guitar sound, is because I really can't find the guitar during the song, only in the solos. For example We don't Run. It has agressivity, as you said, and I liked the song. But tell me, where is the guitar sound taking off the solo and a little in the end? That's what I am talking about. They fill the songs with a lot of noises (in the most keyboard synthesizers), and the guitar in the truth can only be heard in the solos. It may look like as bullshit for some, but for me this could have improved 90% of the songs since HAND.

Compare the guitar sound of Bounce with any other album after it. The difference is absurd.
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I'm not too enthusiastic about the song, but I do think it is the best Bon Jovi song on BB. Why I give it a little more credit than HAND is because HAND is a carbon copy of It's My Life. And while WDR is similar in dynamics and theme, it has the clever half time chorus and Green Day Holiday "Hey" in the prechorus, not to mention the most enthusiastic vocal from Jon since Undivided... and I think that's what it comes down to more than anything. Anyone that excited about WDR is most likely excited because it sounds like Jon put real heart into the vocals... and he sounds good.
Definitely some points I agree with. For whatever reason I associate this song with It's My Life more so than Have a Nice day. It might be the tempo or I just find HAND more.....it's aggressive but still playable and organic if that makes sense. WDR to me sounds like it's tough to pull off live and hearing Jon try to pull it off live with that voice makes me think it was edited to hell. HAND is a baritone guitar, electric, acoustic, bass, drums, hammond organ and vocals. We Don't Run is a production nightmare. Catchy as hell, lyrically dull but has the attack I want the band to have. I just can't see them pulling off a full album of songs in this style live and promo.
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It appears that Rolling Stone doesn't have high expectations as the tour did not make the top 20 for 2016. (They were still financially the biggest tour in 2013.) http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...tours-20160105
Do you seriously expect RS to list a tour that hasn't been announced yet hence no dates and no tickets were available when they wrote the article?!
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Do you seriously expect RS to list a tour that hasn't been announced yet hence no dates and no tickets were available when they wrote the article?!
Particularly since they aren't the biggest supporters of the band.

They'll do good business on tour over the next two years i'm sure. They limped through the WAN stadium tour ok, despite a crap supporting album and a founding member departing.

Time away from the touring circuit and casuals not giving a toss about Richie will ensure good houses. In the UK, their recent glory days of 2010/11 are gone I think, but they'll still pack smaller stadiums/large arenas and a one off day festival in London.
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Definitely some points I agree with. For whatever reason I associate this song with It's My Life more so than Have a Nice day. It might be the tempo or I just find HAND more.....it's aggressive but still playable and organic if that makes sense. WDR to me sounds like it's tough to pull off live and hearing Jon try to pull it off live with that voice makes me think it was edited to hell. HAND is a baritone guitar, electric, acoustic, bass, drums, hammond organ and vocals. We Don't Run is a production nightmare. Catchy as hell, lyrically dull but has the attack I want the band to have. I just can't see them pulling off a full album of songs in this style live and promo.
I hear you there. But after the WAN tour, Richie leaving, and especially seeing/hearing the videos from the BB mini tour, I am not hopeful of ever seeing the real Bon Jovi ever again. So I agree with everything you said, but at the same time if I can be reminded of the (Jon) Bon Jovi I knew and loved from time to time, if only in the studio, I'll take it and say thank you.
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