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Old 10-16-2013, 11:13 PM
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Do not make me laugh. They just enjoyed commercial success, they did not mark a trend as Nirvana.

Nirvana created a subgenre, grunge.

Bon Jovi was considered a fashion band in the late eighties.

Nirvana didn't create grunge all on their own. It was a movement at the time along with bands like Soundgarden (who were actually around long before Nirvana.)

This is no different from the 80's rock that Def Leppard and Bon Jovi more or less created, and had just as big an impact on the music scene at that time.

Of course critics will hail grunge and deride pop-rock or hair-metal or whatever you wanna call it, but really neither is any more important than the other, they are just musical movements that happen. Bon Jovi were as instrumental in creating the sound of the 80's as Nirvana were in the 90's.
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Nirvana didn't create grunge all on their own. It was a movement at the time along with bands like Soundgarden (who were actually around long before Nirvana.)

This is no different from the 80's rock that Def Leppard and Bon Jovi more or less created, and had just as big an impact on the music scene at that time.

Of course critics will hail grunge and deride pop-rock or hair-metal or whatever you wanna call it, but really neither is any more important than the other, they are just musical movements that happen. Bon Jovi were as instrumental in creating the sound of the 80's as Nirvana were in the 90's.

Glam Metal, hair metal, none of this had a social impact, only commercial. Born in the USA or The Joshua Tree had a social impact. The Grunge had a social impact, the movement was not known as such until that Nirvana punch the charts in 1991.

We can play this game, but it is absurd. Nirvana was the voice of Generation X. Bon Jovi was the coolest band of the late eighties.

Bon Jovi have influenced the music in their own way, as MTV Unplugged, but not comparable to Nirvana.
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Nirvana made a cultural impact and influenced tons of popular artists (Radiohead, Oasis, Weezer, Stone Temple Pilots, Beck, Green Day, the entire Post-Grunge genre, etc.)

Bon Jovi only sold tons of records and tickets.
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But influence, as far as the HoF is concerned, means nothing.
Huh? Influence is the very criteria to be inducted. Pearl Jam was the leader in influencing the grunge movement but Nirvana was the next heavy hitter. They are a lock. They will 100% be inducted and it is not because Cobain is dead.

Bon Jovi influenced unplugged but what bands besides Skid Row did they really influence? Jovi has had chart topping commercial success but they lack musical influence. They'll eventually get in one day but I think it'll be many years down the road.
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They'll eventually get in one day but I think it'll be many years down the road.
Probably not until one or more of them is dead. So let's hope it's not for a very long time.
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alice in chains and stone temple pilots are far better bands than nirvana with more good songs than nirvana,better musicians than nirvana and so on...
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I always find it funny when people say Bon Jovi didn't influence any bands. That's such utter and complete bullshit. They influenced a ton of (granted, cheesy) bands in the late 80's and early 90's. Bands today will cite them as an influence, and those that don't, are just "too cool" to admit it. Has there ever been a rock star as big as Jon Bon Jovi was 1986-1990?

And if influence is the very criteria to be inducted, why is KISS not in the Hall?

I also find it amusing when people say Nirvana had a bigger cultural impact than Bon Jovi. Says who? Does anyone still listen to grunge music? Plenty of people still listen to the type of music Bon Jovi helped make popular.

I was in high school when both GNR and Nirvana hit. Nirvana wasn't a pimple on GNR's ass until after Cobain's death. I'm sorry, but it's a fact. Had GNR not imploded, they'd still be around. No one knows for sure what would have happened with Nirvana, but to deny his death increased their popularity is just ignorant. Hell, I became a fan of their's after he died. Same thing happened with Queen, Elvis, Bon Scott.
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Do not make me laugh. They just enjoyed commercial success, they did not mark a trend as Nirvana.

Nirvana created a subgenre, grunge.

Bon Jovi was considered a fashion band in the late eighties.

I love Bon Jovi, but the impact on society and the music of Nirvana is more important than Bon Jovi's achievements in those years.
Nirvana did not create grunge. They made it incredibly popular, just like Bon Jovi did with pop-metal. For every grunge band that popped up after Nirvana, I can name a pop-metal band that popped up after Bon Jovi.

I'm not sure what a fashion band is, but whatever Bon Jovi was in the late 80's, they transcended that a long time ago.
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I always find it funny when people say Bon Jovi didn't influence any bands. That's such utter and complete bullshit. They influenced a ton of (granted, cheesy) bands in the late 80's and early 90's. Bands today will cite them as an influence, and those that don't, are just "too cool" to admit it. Has there ever been a rock star as big as Jon Bon Jovi was 1986-1990?

And if influence is the very criteria to be inducted, why is KISS not in the Hall?

I also find it amusing when people say Nirvana had a bigger cultural impact than Bon Jovi. Says who? Does anyone still listen to grunge music? Plenty of people still listen to the type of music Bon Jovi helped make popular.

I was in high school when both GNR and Nirvana hit. Nirvana wasn't a pimple on GNR's ass until after Cobain's death. I'm sorry, but it's a fact. Had GNR not imploded, they'd still be around. No one knows for sure what would have happened with Nirvana, but to deny his death increased their popularity is just ignorant. Hell, I became a fan of their's after he died. Same thing happened with Queen, Elvis, Bon Scott.
Name these bands who Bon Jovi influenced, especially the ones who have cited as such. No one is disputing that they were larger than life in their hay day but Jon is the one who rips off other people's music, not the other way around.

KISS most definitely deserves to be in the hall of fame but the nominating committee obviously has had an issue with the fact that they're known for their make-up, Gene's tongue and Gene's sexual history just as much as they are for their music. I don't agree with that but I'd bet that's why they've been overlooked all these years.

The fact that grunge is not the popular genre it once was has nothing to do with Nirvana's influence on it. To be inducted, neither the artist nor the genre needs to be popular today. It's about the influence that artist had in music history. Nirvana will deservingly be inducted this year.
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