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Old 05-06-2006, 05:14 AM
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I don't think he ever said it was about David specifically, it's just how things start to get around, some people assumed something strongly then they say it on a message board and some people that read it here or in another message board will state it as fact otherwise, but in the transcript I read from elements he said neither Richie nor Daves name.
But what amuses me was that it wasn't one of the regular fans, it was defientely one of the more known people. If I recall, not sure if it was backstage or here, people originally weren't saying which person was getting divorced, out of respect for the person, then eventually someone let it slip and it just..."got out". Ah my memory sucks.
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Old 05-06-2006, 07:29 AM
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As i recall, Jon never said it was about David specifically, but at the time there was some news/slash rumors going on that David was the one getting divorced, which turned out to be true. Since there was no news/rumors at that time about Richies marriage being in trouble which if you listen to Jon on the interview it now seems apparent that it was we the fans just hadn't heard about it yet. Therefore, when the record came out everyone assumed that both of these songs were about David's divorce, and since the news about Richies marital woes didn't come out until Feb or so, and at the time Richie seemed genuinely shocked about it we as fans again assumed that his and Heathers breakup was a sudden, instant thing, when apparently it had been coming for a good, long while.
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Timewise, it makes so much more sense for it to have been David. And it's a little nitpicky thing, but Jon basically just took about five minutes to say David wasn't important to HAND at all.

If it was so goddamn important for us to know David didn't write Last Cig, he shouldn't have had a writing credit. If it's so essential for us to know Novocaine isn't about David, he shouldn't have mentioned it was specifically about a band member back when David was the only divorced one. Of course people are going to make the assumption that the song about going through a divorce was about the guy who just went through one. If he didn't want that assumption made, he should have been more specific or not said anything at all. And maybe not interacted so heavily with David while performing it.

All this really means is I get to stop noting that Jon always makes sure to give Dave credit when I get in one of my David doesn't get enough attention bitchy moods.

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Timewise, it makes so much more sense for it to have been David. And it's a little nitpicky thing, but Jon basically just took about five minutes to say David wasn't important to HAND at all.

If it was so goddamn important for us to know David didn't write Last Cig, he shouldn't have had a writing credit. If it's so essential for us to know Novocaine isn't about David, he shouldn't have mentioned it was specifically about a band member back when David was the only divorced one. Of course people are going to make the assumption that the song about going through a divorce was about the guy who just went through one. If he didn't want that assumption made, he should have been more specific or not said anything at all. And maybe not interacted so heavily with David while performing it.

All this really means is I get to stop noting that Jon always makes sure to give Dave credit when I get in one of my David doesn't get enough attention bitchy moods.
I could not have said it better myself. There were no assumptions that Novocaine was about David, there was some word straight from Jon that it was about him, whether it was in the group interview or one on one with the man.

But yes, you get what I mean, Bongo, thanks for clarifying.
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Old 05-06-2006, 12:50 PM
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i have to say he does come across quite arrogant but hes clearly had a few drinks. im watching it now and ive never seen him shift around so much in an interview i think he is more then half way to being pissed
A hugely successful rock star with an ego? Say it isn't so! (pun intended)

I thought it was great the stuff he said, I don't think I would be too humble either if i was in his position. What other musician would give a lengthy interview late at night straight after a show?? Some also seem to be taking the moral high ground over the fact that he is drinking a glass of wine

Although there was one contradiction....he said at the start that Richies injury didn't restruct them at all with the songs they played, then he said that it did and was why they didnt play some TD stuff.....I'm very sceptical as to whether Europe will see Hey God in a setlist.....I would fooking love it if we did though
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A hugely successful rock star with an ego? Say it isn't so! (pun intended)

I thought it was great the stuff he said, I don't think I would be too humble either if i was in his position. What other musician would give a lengthy interview late at night straight after a show?? Some also seem to be taking the moral high ground over the fact that he is drinking a glass of wine

Although there was one contradiction....he said at the start that Richies injury didn't restruct them at all with the songs they played, then he said that it did and was why they didnt play some TD stuff.....I'm very sceptical as to whether Europe will see Hey God in a setlist.....I would fooking love it if we did though
I agree. I also believe that Jon was possibly refering to coming up with the concept/title of last cigarette and metaphors associated with it, and that the rest of the song was a work in progress. Hence, "David worked through it."
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"But it was good to let him work through it" - the "it" was most likely his after-divorce-ness.

And it's not moral high ground over Jon drinking a glass of wine, it's trying to find some excuse for him being such an ass other than he just IS one because no one wants to think that.

I mean, I think that, but for a lot of reasons.

He wasn't exactly vague about "Last Cigarette". He outright said "I wrote it." A couple times. If he just meant "I wrote the title", he is the worst speaker of all time. Jon is't that stupid. He's very good at saying exactly what he wants us to hear.
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A hugely successful rock star with an ego? Say it isn't so! (pun intended)

I thought it was great the stuff he said, I don't think I would be too humble either if i was in his position. What other musician would give a lengthy interview late at night straight after a show?? Some also seem to be taking the moral high ground over the fact that he is drinking a glass of wine

Although there was one contradiction....he said at the start that Richies injury didn't restruct them at all with the songs they played, then he said that it did and was why they didnt play some TD stuff.....I'm very sceptical as to whether Europe will see Hey God in a setlist.....I would fooking love it if we did though
I've seen Jon with an ego before in interviews. I accept it, it's there, big deal. But when he deliberately goes out of his way to put down the work of his BAND MATES, That's when I say "Aw that ain't cool". There's no moral high ground here. Have a glass of wine, have two, have three, but for the love of god, not before an interview.
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I agree. I also believe that Jon was possibly refering to coming up with the concept/title of last cigarette and metaphors associated with it, and that the rest of the song was a work in progress. Hence, "David worked through it."
We probably watched different interviews. I don't get why people are defending Jon in this situation. He did something that a friend would never to another friend. He "was just there" ...does that sound like it was the moment when he came up with tham amazing title for the song and Dave was JUST there???ha???? that doesn't make any sense.

Jon's a jerk and that can not be excused no matter if he drank 10 bottles of wine or not. You don't denigrate the work of a bandmate, of a friend. And come on, it's not like Dave is a nobody. his musicals are excellent, he wrote some of the best songs on the first 2 records, there's no need for him to prove anything and to have writing credits on one little song.

There's no recognition at all. If I was the keyborder of a band and the lead singer did something like this I would immediately leave. Jon's the ultimate jerk. I really want DAVE to kick him somehow.
I am really mad with Jon for what he was saying. He should get it in his head that he is not Bruce Springsteen and he should admit it when he wrote a song on his own or not.

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Default Situations when Jon behaved like an ASS

The Japanease interview is a clear example.

I would add the speech at last year's AMA's. He was so not fair to the rest of the band and talked as if they were studio musicians.

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