Bon Jovi opening for Judas Priest?

No!

And YGLABN is? Its a little rougher with the guitar but Jon is not one to cater his style towards any specific crowd. He just does his thing. Even back then.

Take yourself out of 2012 looking back to '86 and put yourself into '86. It wasn't cool to hate soft metal yet because it didn't even really exist. Yes Motley and a few others were doing some stuff but Bon Jovi '86 this was the birth of it (popularity). None of the Bon Jovi spin off bands existed yet. (A whole other topic I don't feel like getting into right now - (The hair metal yrs.)

I just don't think they were ready for it live yet. With the whole talk box thing.

But you guys would know better than me because that's what Wikipedia probably said.

Why are you getting so defensive? He just made a comment. He may be wrong. He may be right. Just calm down.

Rdkopper...I know you have trouble understanding even basic English words such as 'little' but I will give you the benefit of doubt in this case and I will repeat my post, assuming you actually understand what it means:

"The others are a LITTLE more appropriate"

Man, you make me smile even if it's not fun responding to you anymore. You remind me of the homeless guy who is there half the time I get out of my cab when I go to work..making the same stupid remarks about me getting out of a cab but not ever sparing him any change. Get over it man, seriously.

Quiet Riot, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Ratt are just a bunch of bands that had Top 10 records/ singles before Bon Jovi. When Motley were out with Ozzy, people were throwing animal parts at them already and that was 1984! In 1985 Dio was making comments about how everything is becoming commercial junk. In 1985 Metallica complained to the audience about being stuck between Ratt and Bon Jovi. In 1987 at Monsters of Rock, Jon grew a ****in' beard and toughened up to be sure he had any credibility with the audiences of Dio, Metallica and people like Anthrax.

Your problem Rdkopper is that you talk from your own experience. Which is the experience of a 12-14 year old. And it doesn't matter if it's 1986 or 2012. It's the same 12-14 year old speaking. Now get over it otherwise you will be bullied around again by everyone, until you have to send threatening PMs to people calling them 'faggots' and what not. And honestly, next time I see the homeless guy, I might actually give him the 50p.

See, this is called a hypothesis. Most of my posts are hypotheses. Then people agree or disagree with them peacefully and respectfully. You might have a point there. However, 2 months later they were playing the song in Europe. And setting up a talkbox is by no means any nuclear physics. But who knows, you were there, so you probably know better.

Aloha !

Though the above reply is both hilarious for Rd in essence being called a 14 year old girl and me agreeing with DevilsSon again, there's this topic of discussion I'd like to add some information to:

Bon Jovi didn't not play Prayer because they thought it didn't fit with the Judas Priest audience, but because Jon had no confidence the song would actually be the succes it'd be a few months later. It's got absolutely nothing to do with them not "being ready for it with the talkbox thing..."

They never played it on the following leg in Japan either, just like they never played it on the leg they were supporting .38 special. It was only once it was released in late October that they started putting it on the set, which was in Europe, and while playing in Europe they'd hit it big in America so once they went back there it never left the setlist, causing Jons vocals to be permanently damaged.

So there you go, mystery solved.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I'll get over it if you stop making dumb remarks. It's your comments that remind me of nails on a calkboard.

BON JOVI NOT PLAYING PRAYER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM WANTING TO CATER TO THE JP AUDIENCE.


I said Motley and FEW OTHERS!!! And I put in quotes POPULARITY!!! I also put in Quotes (A whole other topic I don't feel like getting into right now - The hair metal yrs.)

Those bands were getting airplay and modest hits but it wasn't exactly mainstream yet.

Why does everything have to be spelled out? The point I was making had nothing to do with the birth of hair metal! It's about it NOT BEING COOL TO HATE HAIR METAL YET.

Every conversation with you people drifts off topic.

What are you talking about? Please stop now!!!! Nails on a chalkboard! He also grew a goatee and pretended he was from Seattle in the 90's!

The beard was for the "Wanted Dead Or Alive" western look for a photo shoot. Possible album cover!

I said "THEY WEREN'T READY FOR IT YET!" Not that they couldn't do it!

They are a professional rock band who actually gives a shit about their sound. 2 months later is a very long time.


There! I'm done! I said what I had to say! I'm right, you’re wrong. I'm not letting your crew ruin another thread!

Don't lose sleep over this again! Enjoy Your Weekend!

We all know Jon wasn't crazy about the song and that could be a big part of it but I'm sure they knew it was going to be a single way before it was released.

I just think they weren't ready for it live yet. Considering their short set and being an opening act, Prayer was not an option just yet.

Now I’m done with you !

Enjoy Your Weekend!

Yes, they played strictly their biggest hits. That's why they played songs like Silent Night or Wanted Dead or Alive for that matter. This was sarcasm!

And quotes in your language mean what exactly?

Metal Health was #1 on Billboard in 1983
Pyromania was #2 on Billboard in 1983
Theater of Pain was #6 on Billboard in 1985
Invasion of your Privacy #7 on Billboard 1985

Should I go on? Modest hits? Man, I don't understand why you are even allowed to post on this forum. Ah wait, you were about 9 (same mental ages as you are now) in 1983. You probably were there and remember EXACTLY how big those albums were. Or maybe it took about 5 more years until they made it big on the East Coast.

Funny given the mess you made in the Thunder topic. Unless it's spelled out for you, you can't get it. Notice, I use 'can't', rather than 'don't'. You simply don't have enough neurons or whatever it is that it takes to understand what people say. And let's be fair, not even spelling things out helps you.

I got your point Rdkopper. Very much so. This is why I pointed out at Dio's comments, at Metallica, hell, even Jon himself pointed out how it was difficult facing the crowds of the Scorps and Judas Priest with 'Runaway' when these guys were singing 'Kill your mom kill your mom!'. To spell it out, so that you understand, my argument was the following:

1- based on the MAJOR success of bands like Quiet Riot, Def Leppard, Ratt, Motley Crue and Twisted sister - hair metal was already BIG in 1986. It got bigger with Jovi, it was already BIG before Jovi.

2 - because of this success, more traditional metal bands such as Dio were already making negative comments around the direction of rock, making this pop-metal appear 'NOT COOL' in the eyes of their fans.This is why people were throwing a pigs head at Bon Jovi in 1985 at Castle Donnington, for example. Not to mention the reception that bands like Motley Crue or Ratt were getting as well.

3 - because of mismatched bills at lots of rock festivals, bands like Bon Jovi often had to pretend they were tougher than they were in reality. Certainly Bon Jovi had to do it but even people like Motley had to.

I am talking about Monsters of Rock in the summer of 1987, when they headlined the festival. There were NO promo shots for Wanted Dead or Alive there. He grew a beard to show he is a man, not the 'pussy' he was described to be. Get your fact straight. Not to mention the amount of swearing he does at that show, compared to other shows from that tour.

Yes, he also grew a full beard when they thought they'd call Slippery Wanted Dead or Alive. But that's a different story and it happened in spring 1986. And what's that Nails on Chalkboard bullshit? People like you should not be allowed to use analogies or metaphors. I mean, first of all, learn to speak a language properly. Then you can venture in the world of figurative speech.

WOW. Dude. It's the same topic. The mess in your head must be unbearable. At least if you contradicted yourself as blatantly in two different topics. But no, it got to be the same one. You know, there's cure for all of this.

Aha. I guess they didn't play Wanted Dead or Alive because playing a ****in' acoustic guitar needs additional preparation, if you are a PROFESSIONAL rock band.


Rdkopper, what world do you live in? Lose sleep over you? 'My crew'? Ruining a topic? Maaaan, maaan, maaan...don't you see how you ruin all topics that I start? How all people here think you are a MORON but are too nice and polite to actually tell you straight in your face? How the people who actually shaped this place to be what it is think that you are retarded? You probably can't. Hey, you were 12 in 1986, that means you are right. Put this in your signature, than we can stop arguing.

Cheers Supersonic. I think you are mostly right. Yet, they never played Wanted either on the Priest leg. Surely that's the song that they were most proud of (and probably to this day still are). They did play it in Japan afterwards.
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/bon-jo...-3bdf1c0c.html

Do you think that had anything to do with considering it a bit too 'mellow' for a Judas Priest crowd? I could easily see how that was one of their/Jons/Docs considerations when deciding the set...and they would probably have similar discussions about other songs. Maybe Prayer was simply dropped because Jon wasn't fond of it. Maybe it was too difficult to sing. And it probably didn't fit with the audience. They might have all contributed to the decision of dropping it and it was only picked up again, after it was released in the US (which I think was October or November 1986).

Here we go again. Just like how you knew the grunge era in America better than me, you now know the hair metal era better than me. Another completely off topic conversation becasue you're completely wrong on your initial post....

The only reason why i'm responding with this one is so you don't confuse the people.

Music has always been an evolution. No one creates anything. It's a movement.

First double check your numbers. I'm talking billboard mainstreem. Not billboard rock. Quiet Riot, Rat, Motley had emerging popularity around '84. They weren't classified as hairmetal bands until later on. Hair metal was termed because of MTV. Those bands were getting radio play but hardly any MTV play. With the exception of Smoking in the boys room.

'84 '85. Was the start of it but it wasn't mainstreem yet. Their success was starting off in California and drifting to the rest of the states. Just becasue a few rock acts had some modest hits, doesn't mean hair metal was here.

Once MTV started playing the muisc in 86 and 87, hair metal was being termed and it was cool

Aloha !

I'm quite sure the only one who's coming across as really confused here is you, I doubt others have trouble understanding what's posted here. You're telling us to have a great weekend and yet you come back here within a few hours. That must've been some weekend you've had.

Honestly, there's no chance anyone will ever have a serious discussion with you when you can be so blatantly wrong yet get too worked up about it whenever anyone tells you so. You change facts to make them fit to your own perception and memories of the things people talk about on here, and whenever someone's got you backed in a corner about something you'll start acting like a crybaby on how "there's this clique of people yada yada..." or will come up with an "I was there I know what it was like" when the only thing that your posts have proven is that for someone who apparantly was there you must've been pretty spaced out all the time.

If you'd really like people to take in what you're saying you'll have to adjust your tone or actually make sense, right now all you do is make a fool of yourself with your facts that differ greatly from what's actually out there, but then again, this will only result into more bickering from your side because if there's one thing you can't take well it's critisism. Now go ahead and start another flame war.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan