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Old 12-30-2007, 10:09 PM
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Actually, they need success. Without success, no record deal, no living out of music.
At this stage, Bon Jovi won't loose their record deal, if an album fails they recover all of that with their massive catalog sales each year.
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Actually, they need success. Without success, no record deal, no living out of music.
succes is very relative in this case. If Bon Jovi releases another country album it will still sell millions without even a single released. The name Bon Jovi is a brand at itself and will sell itself.
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I'm just seriously questioning where the actual 'experimentation'' was though, because as far as I'm concerned throwin in a fiddle and steel guitar does not an experimentation make. Furthermore, hasnt Richie been going around saying that it's just a Bon Jovi album with a twang?

Clearly they just cant make up their minds what they want this album to be. They like the idea that they can say they experimented because it might just explain away an album that really hasn't survived very well in the charts and has failed internationally.

The first rule of thumb with marketing though is to ensure that you maintain consistency in how you sell the product, in essence the album. Self-confessed and self-described marketing GURU Jon Bon Jovi missed the mark on that one and has also forgotten to send out YET ANOTHER memo to Richie on what exacty they are selling this week.
i was on about TLFR....
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. The name Bon Jovi is a brand at itself and will sell itself.
Exactly.
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Clearly they just cant make up their minds what they want this album to be. They like the idea that they can say they experimented because it might just explain away an album that really hasn't survived very well in the charts and has failed internationally.

The first rule of thumb with marketing though is to ensure that you maintain consistency in how you sell the product, in essence the album. Self-confessed and self-described marketing GURU Jon Bon Jovi missed the mark on that one and has also forgotten to send out YET ANOTHER memo to Richie on what exacty they are selling this week.
Or you only wished the album was just generally seen as bad as you see it. Too bad, that's not the case. If there's anything to be taken for real among what they've said about this album, then that it was what they wanted to do, be it successful or not. And like someone already put it, they were then mightily pleased as it came in at #1 in lots of countries.

Furthermore, experimentation does not mean to reinvent the wheel time and again. But probably, Jon just forgot to send a memo to you aswell that states you need not to buy what you don't like. You don't need to be in a huff either.
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Clearly they just cant make up their minds what they want this album to be. They like the idea that they can say they experimented because it might just explain away an album that really hasn't survived very well in the charts and has failed internationally.

The first rule of thumb with marketing though is to ensure that you maintain consistency in how you sell the product, in essence the album. Self-confessed and self-described marketing GURU Jon Bon Jovi missed the mark on that one and has also forgotten to send out YET ANOTHER memo to Richie on what exacty they are selling this week.
Do you honestly think that the band really ever thought that LH would be a success internationally? After 6 months LH is still in the top 100 (somewhere in the 70s last I checked) on the US Billboard album charts, so while it's not been a hit internationally it's done okay in the US charts.

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So Deb you are saying they deiberately set out to ignore an international market?

Also, if you think that position on the chart after 6 months is good then clearly you aren't aware of how the industry works. It certainly doesnt mark the album a huge success.
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Or you only wished the album was just generally seen as bad as you see it. Too bad, that's not the case. If there's anything to be taken for real among what they've said about this album, then that it was what they wanted to do, be it successful or not. And like someone already put it, they were then mightily pleased as it came in at #1 in lots of countries.

Furthermore, experimentation does not mean to reinvent the wheel time and again. But probably, Jon just forgot to send a memo to you aswell that states you need not to buy what you don't like. You don't need to be in a huff either.

You have me all wrong. I am not the huge hater of LH, but I am a hater of being told one thing only for Jon himself to continually contradict everything th nex time he speaks publicly. I don 't believe they did this album out of some desperate longing to get back in the studio. QUITE the opposite. They saw they had supposed ''success'' with Who Says and tried to capitalise off it. By the way, how many countries did it actually come in at No1 in, and also No 1 doesn't really mean anything when you are tying in ticket sales for an upcoming tour as they did with LH. They went hell for leather for a one week burst of No1 in the states and they got it but not without fiddling numbers and th industry knows that. So much for being brave and experimentative.

Experimentation means to try something new. I dont think Bon Jovi really did that with this album. Furthermore, who says I hate the album?
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You have me all wrong. I am not the huge hater of LH, but I am a hater of being told one thing only for Jon himself to continually contradict everything th nex time he speaks publicly. I don 't believe they did this album out of some desperate longing to get back in the studio. QUITE the opposite. They saw they had supposed ''success'' with Who Says and tried to capitalise off it.
What if they longed to get back in the studio in order to capitalise off the success of Who Says You Can't Go Home? Why do those things have to be contradictory? And why is it so bad? There's other artists that literally capitalise off everything that is possible.

I still think the outcome is still very much Bon Jovi. Actually, I believe if they had never mentioned the country influence, a lot of people would not give this album the outsider spot that it seems to get because the word "country" was mentioned. In most parts it is as much a common post-2000 Bon Jovi record as all the others.

Plus, on a sidenote, if Jon would use the same words in every interview to describe the project, all you lot would say he's bored and lacks passion.

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By the way, how many countries did it actually come in at No1 in, and also No 1 doesn't really mean anything when you are tying in ticket sales for an upcoming tour as they did with LH. They went hell for leather for a one week burst of No1 in the states and they got it but not without fiddling numbers and th industry knows that. So much for being brave and experimentative.
I believe, it's been around 16 countries. And in almost none of them there were any tickets that could be tied to the release or the other way around.

So almost 20 years after the release of New Jersey they've reached the number one spot in the US again, with some fiddling added. Well done, then!
And what does the industry know, or care for that matter?
And brave? You make that sound as if they have to prove themselves to their own fans with every single word they say. They don't.

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Experimentation means to try something new. I dont think Bon Jovi really did that with this album.
Something new? New as in "never before seen on this planet" it seems. Then you're right.
The album might not be a huge success, but it's not the huge failure either. "Huge success" is not the equivalent for "true experimentation". Just because you think adding a steel guitar is not experimentative doesn't make Jon's statement that they were experimenting a little bit with country styles wrong or contradictory.

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Furthermore, who says I hate the album?
Oh, it just crossed my mind reading your visibly annoyed comments.
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At this stage, Bon Jovi won't loose their record deal, if an album fails they recover all of that with their massive catalog sales each year.
Well, Mariah Carey, who sold way more albums than BJ also lost her record deal because of the lack of sucess. Nowadays you either keep sucessfull or bye-bye. The back catalogue still can get sold by the record company.
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