Bounce sound quality/production observations

Read and understood it, but I still say that's not as common as presented here. I'm not going to argue about Rush, 'cause I don't have a single CD, but you're taking the word of mouth of an unknown drummer an portreying it as a fact. I'm not saying he's not right on the Rush CD, but I don't see the connection with Bon Jovi CD's. And he's certainly no expert on the business side as I bet you can also tell by his opinions.

And this guy only talks about amateurs. He says that a good engineer would never do such a thing. I agree that many amateur recordings suffer from clipping, but that's always been the case. And please don't tell me what to do.


Um, no we haven't. You're saying Bounce is mastered too hot. I want to know what are you basing this on? On these 2 articles? If you really think it is clipped, then you're competing with probably the best mastering engineer in the business. Sorry, but I think he knows he's job better that you do.

I'm saying that they've been in the business for so long that they don't make amateur mistakes like over-compressing stuff. And if this is your opinion, fine, you like the way you do, but don't come telling me that it's a fact. Prove to me that there's clipping on Bounce, show me where it's over compressed. Otherwise it's all just about opinions.

Ok, here you go with the facts again. You're talking about your opinion, don't portrey it as a fact. And I really don't believe that guys like Bon Jovi, Clearmountain and Marino have to take advice from the record company on how to master the album. Hell, the company doesn't give a damn about the record, why should they care about the mastering?

This proves only that Bounce is louder. What it doesn't prove is the compression or clipping or anything that you're trying to prove.

This I can agree with.

Totally unnecessary, especially since it's your opinions we seem to be arguing about...

Ice

If you understood that article then you'd know that the only way to get the records that loud and hot is by limiting and compressing. And AGAIN by looking at the waves you can clearly see where they are clipped. The only way to achieve that clipping is by limiting, then to rescale the volume to that level its compressed.

So yet again, Bounce is severley limited and compressed.


I was not taking the word of an unknown drummer, what i'm talking about here is the general concsnesus of my colegues and people I work with and have read about. Those 2 links were the first two that I came across. And the second guy talks about ametures in that specific article but the elsewhere on his site he discusses it further in relation to professinal work.

You say it is still not as common as I'm talking about? Well what eveidence do you have to back this up? Every CD released of the last 2 - 4 years i'm ripping and analysing is clearly showing lots of clipping (as i explained above - the result of a seriously shit tracking engineer/producer or the more obvious limiting and compression)

Oh dear you really dont read my replies. I gave 3 clear examples proving that its fact. If you're listening to a CD thats averageing -11dB then there is no way its not gonna be clipping. Plus you can literally SEE the waves have lost the peaks. I dont know what more evidence you need to prove it. You going to disbute it? If you dont understand the coralation between louder and limiting/compression and clipping. Then it's not worth carrying on the discussion really.

And for the last time, please read my posts, you must have mentioned 3 or 4 times just that its about my opinions, and its not. I clearly posted Bounce has the average RMS -11 dB. And the peaks are missing all over the place.

This isn't opinion. It is fact. It proves that a) Bounce has been cut very loud. b) In order for this to have been achieved great limiting and compression have been applied. and c) this can be seen by the loss of peak waves in any audio editing program that you can digitally extract the audio to.

i will concede that d) the reasons to why it has been mastered this way are of my opinion. Which is speculation within semi/pro audio audio industry.

again to reiterate that i've already PROVED this


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If your going to base your opinions on other articles, then say so. The one's you showed were either about amateurs or a specific Rush album.

No, you've SAID you've proven it, but haven't shown proofs. Show me the "square" wave on Bounce and I'll believe. If you fail to do that, you haven't proven anything, and it's just your word I'm supposed to believe?

Ice

stop arguing or i'll bitch slap all of u.

back to the topic in hand. ice is totally right about the radio setting the levels so every song will be the same dB whetheritsbeen masterred to be louder or not.

every pro album is mastered and compressed and compression merelyy squashes the signal to take out peaks and volume drops. as u said its taken the dynamics out of the songs but in most cases its beneficial because its alot harder to play with the same dynamics live than on recordings.

personally i think the production on bounce is immaculate tho TLFR leaves alot to be desired but it kind of adds a bit of charm as it sounds dirty and raw to an extent.

anyways good stuff keep up the technical info cos theres always something new u can learn.