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Thanks Faceman...

I agree with Why Aren't You Dead... On the DVD there are 2 different interviews going on... One with the guys and the other with just Jon... In one part Jon goes "I don't know, Crush?" and then in the other interview he says "KTF'... Plus his vocals alone no where near Crush... So we'll put that one to rest...
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So for Outlaws Of Love.... I'm going with the 80's...

Jon made multiple references towards that plus IMO, it totally sounds 80's...

They wrote 30 plus songs for Slippery and I also don't think Sons Of Beaches are all the songs written for Jersey, I think there were others....

The vocals are a little too good for a NJ demo though...

This is such a tough one....
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Here is everything that hasn't been officially confirmed...

Faith:
Every Beat of My Heart
Outlaws of Love
Billy

These Days:
Flesh and Bone
I Just Want To Be Your Man

Sex Sells - Crush:
I Get a Rush
River Runs Dry
These Arms Are Open All Night
Someday Just Might Be Tonight
Maybe Someday
You Can Sleep While I Dream
Shut Up and Kiss Me
Satellite
Too Much of a Good Thing
Kidnap an Angel
All I Wanna Do Is You
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I've always been torn on Outlaws of Love as well. It sounds quite a lot like their 80's music, but vocally I always put it in the KTF era somehow. The lyrics might be total fiction or actually stem from the grey summer era where he might've reflected on what happened to Dorothea and him when they got married and everyone (manager, band and family) was mad at them for doing so. The first verse/chorus quite resemble that.
Musically it might've been a similar case to Why Aren't You Dead. That one was left off because it was lyrically too close to songs like Bad Name/Bad Medicine and didn't fit their envisioned direction. Outlaws of Love could have just sounded too close to their 80's music and hence got ruled out.
Furthermore, the NJ era is so well documented with all those bootleg tapes of the demo sessions and this song isn't anywhere to be found. And I doubt that there are much more unheard (and fully produced) tunes from 1988 since they just didn't have the time to record so much more material than they already did for the planned double album. His vocals sound too mature to me to be placed anywhere before New Jersey.
So I tend to believe that it actually really was a KTF outtake.

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Here is everything that wasn't been officially confirmed...

Faith:
Every Beat of My Heart
Outlaws of Love
Billy

These Days:
Flesh and Bone
I Just Want To Be Your Man

Sex Sells - Crush:
I Get a Rush
River Runs Dry
These Arms Are Open All Night
Someday Just Might Be Tonight
Maybe Someday
You Can Sleep While I Dream
Shut Up and Kiss Me
Satellite
Too Much of a Good Thing
Kidnap an Angel
All I Wanna Do Is You
A lot of these are co-writer specific too. Jon didn't start writing with Eric Bazilian until D.A. period so I get a Rush being between D.A and Crush makes sense. Of those batch we know which were done with Richie and whichout (Based on writing credits and him playing/singing on the track.

Without: I get a Rush
River Runs Dry
These Arms are open all night
Shut up and Kiss me
Kidnap an Angel

With:
All I wanna do is you
Too much of a good thing
Satellite
You can sleep while I dream
Maybe Someday
Someday Just Might Be Tonight

I'd like to think the first batch are 1998 and the second are 1999. Apart from that there is a list of years floating around Obie put out maybe half a year after the box set came out. Some seem off so it's tough to take it all as correct, does anyone have it handy?
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I've always been torn on Outlaws of Love as well. It sounds quite a lot like their 80's music, but vocally I always put it in the KTF era somehow. The lyrics might be total fiction or actually stem from the grey summer era where he might've reflected on what happened to Dorothea and him when they got married and everyone (manager, band and family) was mad at them for doing so. The first verse/chorus quite resemble that.
Musically it might've been a similar case to Why Aren't You Dead. That one was left off because it was lyrically too close to songs like Bad Name/Bad Medicine and didn't fit their envisioned direction. Outlaws of Love could have just sounded too close to their 80's music and hence got ruled out.
Furthermore, so NJ era is so well documented with all those bootleg tapes of the demo sessions and this song isn't anywhere to be found. And I doubt that there are much more unheard (and fully produced) tunes from 1988 since they just didn't have the time to record so much more material than they already did for the planned double album. His vocals sound too mature to me to be placed anywhere before New Jersey.
So I tend to believe that it actually really was a KTF outtake.
Great points... Prior to your post, I was going with a Blaze Of Glory session... Lyrically it obviously doesn't fit the soundtrack... But vocally and Title wise it could... I don't think this was demoed for KTF but possible a few months prior (If there even is a difference in time?)... But then again, if that's Richie on guitar it would almost have to be for that session...

I would think that Jon would remember if it was written for KTF but if it was during that blurred grey summer, it could make sense that he forgot...

Blaze of Glory is my favorite time period... I think this was Jon's peak overall as a musician...vocally, song writing, production, etc.... This is my area and I think this song fits that slot. Even though he's recording a soundtrack, if something comes up that he could use for a future album, I'm sure he's going to record it... My only hang up with that theory is, is that Richie's guitar?
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A lot of these are co-writer specific too. Jon didn't start writing with Eric Bazilian until D.A. period so I get a Rush being between D.A and Crush makes sense. Of those batch we know which were done with Richie and whichout (Based on writing credits and him playing/singing on the track.

Without: I get a Rush
River Runs Dry
These Arms are open all night
Shut up and Kiss me
Kidnap an Angel

With:
All I wanna do is you
Too much of a good thing
Satellite
You can sleep while I dream
Maybe Someday
Someday Just Might Be Tonight

I'd like to think the first batch are 1998 and the second are 1999. Apart from that there is a list of years floating around Obie put out maybe half a year after the box set came out. Some seem off so it's tough to take it all as correct, does anyone have it handy?
I like that theory with Eric Bazilian... I'm going with that and will update using that and call it a day

So all these are 1998, Eric Bazilian?
I get a Rush
River Runs Dry
These Arms are open all night
Shut up and Kiss me
Kidnap an Angel
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A Apart from that there is a list of years floating around Obie put out maybe half a year after the box set came out. Some seem off so it's tough to take it all as correct, does anyone have it handy?
Here it is:

BOX SET SONG HISTORIES
(Friday, March 18, 2005)

Below is a breakdown of the when and where the songs from the 100,000,000 BON JOVI FANS CAN'T BE WRONG... box set originated. This is not scripture - it took some work culling this info from the archives (even on the box set DVD vs. the box set booklet you might find contradictions -- the truth is, 20 years of tapes unearthed with less than stellar labelling!):

DISC ONE:
1) WHY AREN'T YOU DEAD? (Unreleased demo circa 1994.) Recorded in NJ.
2) THE RADIO SAVED MY LIFE TONIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1992.) Recorded in Vancouver and New Jersey. Vocals were, indeed, done while JBJ had a head cold.
3) TAKING IT BACK (Unreleased demo circa 1992.) Recorded in New Jersey.
4) SOMEDAY I'LL BE SATURDAY NIGHT (Unreleased demo of song that continued to be worked on until the version most are familiar with appeared on the 1994 Cross Road album.) Written in the islands, this was recorded in New Jersey in 1994.
5) MISS FOURTH OF JULY (Unreleased demo circa 1992.) Recorded up in Vancouver and back in New Jersey.
6) OPEN ALL NIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.
7) THESE ARMS ARE OPEN ALL NIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1998 recorded with the Big Dogs in New Jersey.)
I GET A RUSH (Unreleased demo circa 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
9) SOMEDAY JUST MIGHT BE TONIGHT (Unreleased demo circa 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
10) THIEF OF HEARTS (Final Studio Track from 2003.) Recorded at Sanctuary Sound II in New Jersey for intended inclusion in This Left Feels Right cd.
11) LAST MAN STANDING (Final Studio Track from 2003.) Recorded at Sanctuary Sound II in New Jersey for inteded inclusion in This Left Feels Right cd. (Band has recorded a much different version of this song for planned inclusion in forthcoming studio album.)
12) I JUST WANT TO BE YOUR MAN (Unreleased demo from 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.

DISC TWO:
1) GARAGELAND (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
2) STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN (Remixed for the box set; original demo released as a b-side from the 1992 Keep The Faith album.) Recorded in Vancouver and New Jersey.
3) MAYBE SOMEDAY (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
4) LAST CAHNCE TRAIN (Unreleased demo from circa 1998.) Recorded in Los Angeles with Aerosmith's Joe Perry on guitar.
5) THE FIRE INSIDE (Unreleased demo circa 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.
6) EVERY BEAT OF MY HEART (Unreleased demo circa 1992.) Recorded in New Jersey.
7) RICH MAN LIVING IN A POOR MAN'S HOUSE (Unreleased demo from 1998.) Recorded in New Jersey and Los Angeles with Dave Stewart.
THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
9) YOU CAN SLEEP WHILE I DREAM (Unreleased demo circa 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
10) OUTLAWS OF LOVE (Unreleased demo from 1992.) Recorded in New Jersey.
11) GOOD GUYS DON'T ALWAYS WEAR WHITE (movie soundtrack song from 'The Cowboy Way' in 1994.) Recorded in Los Angeles; video shot in NYC.
12) WE RULE THE NIGHT (Unreleased demo from 1985.) Recorded in New Jersey and Philly.

DISC THREE:
1) EDGE OF A BROKEN HEART (the sorely-missed Slippery When Wet song not included on the 1986 breakthru album.) Recorded up in Vancouver.
2) SYMPATHY (Unreleased demo from 1992.) Recorded in New Jersey.
3) ONLY IN MY DREAMS (Unreleased demo from 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey. A version with Jon on vocals was captured but the one with Tico's vocals was included on the box set.
4) SHUT UP AND KISS ME (Unreleased demo from 1997.) Recorded in New Jersey with the Big Dogs.
5) CRAZY LOVE (Unreleased demo from 1998.) Recorded in Los Angeles and New Jersey.
6) LONELY AT THE TOP (Previously released b-side from the 1995 These Days project.) Recorded in New Jersey however, remixed for inclusion in the box set and cello parts were added by Garo Yellin for a more meloncholy feel.
7) ORDINARY PEOPLE (Previously released b-side from 2000's CRUSH album.) Recorded in New Jersey.
FLESH AND BONE (Unreleased demo from 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.
9) SATELLITE (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
10) IF I CAN'T HAVE YOUR LOVE (Richie solo demo circa 1991.) Recorded in Vancouver featuring David Bryan on keyboards.
11) REAL LIFE (Movie soundtrack from 1999's EDTV.) Recorded in New York City (at Avatar Studios, which had originally been the Power Station where Jon Bon Jovi had started his music career as a gofer) and New Jersey. It was remixed for inclusion in the box set.
12) MEMPHIS LIVES IN ME (Original composition for the musical 'MEMPHIS' co-written by David Bryan, written in 2003.) This studio recording was done in New Jersey specifically for inclusion in the box set.
13) TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING
(Unreleased demo from 1999 prior to CRUSH album.) Recorded in New Jersey.

DISC FOUR:
1) LOVE AIN'T NOTHING BUT A FOUR LETTER WORD (Unreleased studio recording from 1992.) This was recorded up in Vancouver and New Jersey, and is much more fleshed out than the original demo version.
2) LOVE AIN'T NOTHING BUT A FOUR LETTER WORD (Original demo from 1992.) This is the first version fo the song as written by Jon Bon Jovi and recorded in New Jersey, prior to taking it further and fleshing it out.
3) RIVER RUNS DRY (Unreleased demo from 1996.) Recorded in New Jersey.
4) ALWAYS (Original demo from 1994.) Recorded in the UK.
5) KIDNAP AN ANGEL (Unreleased demo from 1999.) Recorded in New Jersey.
6) BREATHE (B-Side internationally and Target CD.)- released in 2003; written and recorded 2001/2002 in New Jersey.
7) OUT OF BOUNDS (Unreleased demo from 1986.) Recorded in New Jersey.
LETTER TO A FRIEND (Unreleased demo from 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.
9) TEMPTATION (Int'l b-side from CRUSH album in 2000.) Recorded in New Jersey.
10) GOTTA HAVE A REASON (Unreleased demo written on spec for a movie sountrack in 1993.) Recorded in New Jersey and Singapore (as documented in the video footage on the box set dvd.)
11) ALL I WANNA DO IS YOU (Unreleased demo from 1997.) Recorded in New Jersey.
12) BILLY (unreleased demo from 1992.) Recorded in New Jersey.
13) NOBODY'S HERO (Unreleased demo from 1994.) Recorded in New Jersey.
14) *Hidden Bonus Track: LIVIN' ON A PRAYER (Original demo of Livin' On A Prayer from 1986... definitely written and recorded in New Jersey!)

Hope this adds some insights into the background of these songs.
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Great points... Prior to your post, I was going with a Blaze Of Glory session... Lyrically it obviously doesn't fit the soundtrack... But vocally and Title wise it could... I don't think this was demoed for KTF but possible a few months prior (If there even is a difference in time?)... But then again, if that's Richie on guitar it would almost have to be for that session...

I would think that Jon would remember if it was written for KTF but if it was during that blurred grey summer, it could make sense that he forgot...

Blaze of Glory is my favorite time period... I think this was Jon's peak overall as a musician...vocally, song writing, production, etc.... This is my area and I think this song fits that slot. Even though he's recording a soundtrack, if something comes up that he could use for a future album, I'm sure he's going to record it... My only hang up with that theory is, is that Richie's guitar?
I think that's a good point! It might have just been in the first batch of the songs that were done by Jon solely for KTF since there still is a bit of that Blaze of Glory influence in it, yet thematically it tends to wander into that 1991 period. However, it might've been a song originally penned for Blaze of Glory and then having had the lyrics re-written to move away from that cowboy theme. Sound wise, I always assumed that it was the band playing on it since the drum fills seem quite Tico-like to me and the aggressive power chords have a Richie-feel towards them.
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I updated the list... Everything in RED now still needs confirmation but based on Obie's list, we could put those few to rest... Just because something was recorded in 1994 and it doesn't sound like something off of These Days, doesn't mean that it's wrong... There was a long window between KTF and TDs and Jon could have recorded a batch of songs during a different session...
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