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I know I've said all this before but it fits the thread.

Based on the video footage and their hair length the electric version of Bitter Wine and Prostitute were early early on in the process. It looks like early 94 to me. I really believe that batch of songs were the ones Jon talked about discarded and personal preference thinks the TD b-sides belong in that camp.

Based on the video footage of the making of the box set we know the acoustic guitars for I Get A Rush were added later by Jon and Bobby and the steel pedal strings for River Runs Dry. There's footage of Jon at a microphone about to record but since they were working on HAND at the same time there's no guarantee what he was singing. There are some rhythm guitar tracks on the box set songs that are questionable and I feel like were added later. I was listening to Taking it Back at the gym today and the guitar on the right side just didn't feel like Richie's style of palm muting and almost sounded like Bobby.
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I know I've said all this before but it fits the thread.

Based on the video footage and their hair length the electric version of Bitter Wine and Prostitute were early early on in the process. It looks like early 94 to me. I really believe that batch of songs were the ones Jon talked about discarded and personal preference thinks the TD b-sides belong in that camp.
I think you're right about this. Bitter Wine was also changed to the acoustic version for the album in the very last minute. Probably because the sound of the electric version didn't fit the album album's sound/mood anymore. In the German booklet the lyrics of the electric version got printed and I had been wondering why they weren't correct for years - until I found the leak of the electric demo. So they must've decided to rearrange the song so late that even the artwork had been finished by then.
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I think you're right about this. Bitter Wine was also changed to the acoustic version for the album in the very last minute. Probably because the sound of the electric version didn't fit the album album's sound/mood anymore. In the German booklet the lyrics of the electric version got printed and I had been wondering why they weren't correct for years - until I found the leak of the electric demo. So they must've decided to rearrange the song so late that even the artwork had been finished by then.
Oh man, good catch!
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Also... were the Bsides like Wedding Day etc all recorded in a day... Jon went into a studio, threw down the vocals, and called it a day... They were specially recorded for bsides... or something to that nature

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I like that idea.
During all those years I always found it hard to believe, that songs like The End, When She Comes, Prostitute, even Lonely At The Top and also the Box Set songs like Open All Night, Flesh and Bone or I Just Wanna Be Your Man were written for These Days. They all sound waaaaay to different than the songs that made the album.
So I really think it might be true that there was the idea for "Open All Night" but that it's been completely rejected.
When you break it all down, 90% of the Box Set it the second half of KTF's double album, The first half of These Days (Open All Night), and Sex Sells...

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Also... we're the Bsides like Wedding Day etc all recorded in a day... Jon went into a studio, threw down the vocals, and called it a day... They were specially recorded for bsides... or something to that nature

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That's a tough one to figure out. Either all of the b-sides were contenders at some point for the album or they were recorded after the album was done to pad it with bonus tracks. I'd like to believe it's the first one but there isn't really a way to find out, minus the dates on the master tapes.
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That's a tough one to figure out. Either all of the b-sides were contenders at some point for the album or they were recorded after the album was done to pad it with bonus tracks. I'd like to believe it's the first one but there isn't really a way to find out, minus the dates on the master tapes.
There is a way to find out because there is an article about it... it might be Kerang

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Based on the video footage of the making of the box set we know the acoustic guitars for I Get A Rush were added later by Jon and Bobby and the steel pedal strings for River Runs Dry. There's footage of Jon at a microphone about to record but since they were working on HAND at the same time there's no guarantee what he was singing. There are some rhythm guitar tracks on the box set songs that are questionable and I feel like were added later. I was listening to Taking it Back at the gym today and the guitar on the right side just didn't feel like Richie's style of palm muting and almost sounded like Bobby.
Jon definitely stated somewhere (don't know when or if it was printed or an interview, I'd like to think the latter) that they had to add some overdubs, simply because the songs were at different stages, much like with Burning Bridges. I'd even think that some songs were (almost) entirely re-recorded (like in cases where they only had something along the lines of the SWW basement or pre-production demos), but definitely some instrument tracks and probably even vocals (like the one we discussed earlier)...
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There was one that mentioned the album cuts in depth but didn't go too deep into the b-sides. There was another interview that was taken the day they recorded the versions of Someday I'll Be Saturday Night and Always at A&M studios, released in that era. I can't recall any interviews that name the periods the B-Sides came from.
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Nothing new but still a beginning, Kerrang, Feb. 26, 1994:
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Returning to matters Jovi-al, Jon is totally fired up by the demos for album number 6.
”You don’t know exactly what to think about the first batch of demos but I’m definitely excited by ‘em!“ he beams, ”The thing is, with ‘Keep The Faith’ only one of the six singles was in the first batch. So that goes to show you where the first batch of demos usually is! I’m not sure whether we’ve got one, two or five singles in this first batch but the pint is we’ve got some great songs and everyone’s contributing. One song I think will probably make the album in the end is ‘Good Guys Don’t Always Wear White’. It’s a self-explanatory title that I knew was great and a very raucous song for us. Apart from that, it’s hard to say. There’s a song called ‘Letter To a Friend’ which is a mid-to-upper-tempo thing. It’s a real frantic one, it makes your hands shake when you’re singing it. Just the opposite to the ‘I love you’ kinda vibe! Then there’s ‘In My Dreams’ which I wrote for Tico to sing. His voice is very Tom Waits-y, but it’s a voice with great character. Hey, if Keith Richards, Ringo Starr and The Edge can do it, then I’m sure Tico can! We’re just foolin’ around with some stuff. We haven’t written anything like ‘Love For sale’ yet, no - that’s the kind of stuff that gets written with acoustic guitars around midnight!"
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