You Can Sleep While I Dream vocals sound like everything from the 90's to 2000/2001 for me.
I think it might be from TD or Crush, more likely Crush by how it overall sounds and feels like.

[bonjovi90]

Originally Posted by WhamATC

You Can Sleep While I Dream vocals sound like everything from the 90's to 2000/2001 for me.
I think it might be from TD or Crush, more likely Crush by how it overall sounds and feels like.

Yep, it sounds all over the place for me too in terms of different things being added in different eras.

Btw. Jon quoted George B. Shaw in that song:
"Some people see things as they are and ask why
I dream things that never were
(I take my shot) and say why not?"

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

Yep, it sounds all over the place for me too in terms of different things being added in different eras.

Btw. Jon quoted George B. Shaw in that song:
"Some people see things as they are and ask why
I dream things that never were
(I take my shot) and say why not?"

I never realized that was G.B. Shaw! I had always heard it attributed to John F. Kennedy. I assumed Jon was quoting/paraphrasing JFK. Or, as it turns out, Robert or Edward. Apparently, all three Kennedys quoted some version of it, at one time or another; but JFK is the one who used it first. (He credited Shaw, too; but I never actually heard the entire speech - just that quote.)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_...#Misattributed

The things you learn on the way to learning other things... I love this board!

Sorry for the topical detour; carry on!

[Faceman]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

1. The original song sketch really is from around 1993/94 since the whole song structure and melody fit too well. However, Jon may have decided that it needed different lyrics and that songwriter team worked out new ones for that after having finished copying One of Us from Joan Osbourne.
In the end, the song wasn't the direction the band wanted to take and it went back into the vault and then onto the Box Set.

I can live with this theory.
The songwriters they wrote with during the Crush sessions are a good point, too. But I can't believe that the origins of this song were written in 1999.
So Dominik's theory makes the most sense to me (and we got something similar [probably] with Ordinary People so there might be some truth to it).

[Captain_jovi]

For Ordinary People to have been written pre-'99 I'm open to it. But I don't see them releasing a mid 90's song as a B-side in 2000 with such a wealth of new material. Something about that wouldn't be likely to me. That and Jon flat out recreating Shawn Mullin's Lullaby.

[steel_horse75]

The dvd if anyone’s interested

https://youtu.be/fJVf52OBHsY

https://youtu.be/zgIdIR5lqcc

[Grantos1]

What's the chances that Obie wasn't given sufficient time to get all the notes together for recording dates? Or his accurate notes differed from what Jon could remember and they went with Jon's memory?

[Captain_jovi]

He mentioned somethings just weren't labelled properly. The band's memory of this stuff is faulty due to the sheer amount of things recorded. I think it was just a case of a pre-digital world that wasn't labelled as well as it should have.

[Grantos1]

Just to clear something up which I haven't seen on this thread - in 1996 Jon recorded material (I Get a Rush, River Runs Dry etc) which I am sure wasn't with the rest of the band and had to be finished for the boxset.

Was he planning a solo record at this time or was it going to end up a band album? Obviously either way, he went to London and changed courses with what he was doing, I just wondered if anyone knew what they were intended for?

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Grantos1

Just to clear something up which I haven't seen on this thread - in 1996 Jon recorded material (I Get a Rush, River Runs Dry etc) which I am sure wasn't with the rest of the band and had to be finished for the boxset.

Was he planning a solo record at this time or was it going to end up a band album? Obviously either way, he went to London and changed courses with what he was doing, I just wondered if anyone knew what they were intended for?

That year always confused me, 1996. I know there was some interview from the 90's saying Jon had a mobile studio outside each venue and he would record demos for D.A using the band. I wonder if these songs stemmed from that, even though it's clear those songs contain no other band members. To me the songs sound post D.A. pre Crush but who knows.