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Twister · #21 03-27-2004, 07:23 AM

I agree with that. Bounce is pretty good (it's as underrated as the band), and TLFR is an art masterpiece.... maybe it's not rock, but it's simply an excellent album.

sweet_addiction_18 · #22 03-27-2004, 08:59 AM

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i think they're very talented but they tried too hard to be mainstream and sometimes they look like rock's britney spears if you know what i mean. kind of fake imo. if they were able to let theirselves more free without having the concern about how many albums they would sell or how they would keep their image clear i think they would be better.

Ok wait, how can you say they're too concerned with being fake or mainstream right after they release an album like TLFR? I think they were TOTALLY being free and without the concern of selling the album! They went with their gut and did something noone else has done.

Dawn · #23 03-28-2004, 01:04 AM

I dont think they have ever been overated, more underated constantly over the years.

Dawn

Supersonic · #24 03-28-2004, 01:09 AM

Aloha !

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bounce did pretty well

I noticed you keep saying this, but Bounce is their most terrible selling album since Fahrenheit. Even OWN live sold more copy's I guess. And if it didn't I don't count it since it's a live album. It did not do pretty well, it did worse.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Jag · #25 03-28-2004, 01:20 AM

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Aloha !

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bounce did pretty well

I noticed you keep saying this, but Bounce is their most terrible selling album since Fahrenheit. Even OWN live sold more copy's I guess. And if it didn't I don't count it since it's a live album. It did not do pretty well, it did worse.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

it still sold its share tho, it was never gonna touch the heights of previous offerings.

Santa_Fe · #26 03-28-2004, 01:27 AM

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just wondered wot is wrong with bounce or TLFR? bounce did pretty well and TLFR is perhaps their most introspective artistic album to date...

What's wrong with Bounce? I just don't know where they are going with this record. As you rightfully noticed they should be carivng their artistic niche. I just don't see how Bounce helps them with that.

And TLFR as a project seems kinda pointless to me. Okay, I could live with it. I don't know about casual fans though.

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i kinda seem confused by this post cos bon jovi have been on a huge roll and will be celebrating the 20yr box xset plus 100mill mark...not as if they are on the wane or struggling in any shape or form

I guess I just have hard time accepting that deep inside I actually agree with a lot of things that critics say about the band.

Supersonic · #27 03-28-2004, 01:29 AM

Aloha !

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it still sold its share tho, it was never gonna touch the heights of previous offerings.

You're asking what's wrong with Bounce as it sold pretty well, I told you it didn't. There's a connection between the both. There are no great songs on it. There are good ones, but no great classics. I'm not talking about hitsingles, I'm talking about classics in the eyes of fans or general public. Bounce hasn't got any. Maybe 3 ; Undivided, Hook Me Up and Bounce (now don't you all start a discussion that you think there are other 3 classics) my point is there aren't that many great songs on it, which is why it sold badly.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

ugly_queen_from_mars · #28 03-28-2004, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ugly_queen_from_mars

i think they're very talented but they tried too hard to be mainstream and sometimes they look like rock's britney spears if you know what i mean. kind of fake imo. if they were able to let theirselves more free without having the concern about how many albums they would sell or how they would keep their image clear i think they would be better.

Ok wait, how can you say they're too concerned with being fake or mainstream right after they release an album like TLFR? I think they were TOTALLY being free and without the concern of selling the album! They went with their gut and did something noone else has done.

first of all they needed an album to reach 100 millions in sales. it was probably the record company who wanted them to have an album ready so they could have a reason to celebrate with the box set. i have said this many times before- tlfr is a rushed album, a sales boost. after all it seems that this whole project was pat leonard's idea (and maybe that's the reason it ended up sooo bad). and even if it is the way you say (i think it isn't) tlfr is one album... what about the rest?

Jag · #29 03-28-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jag

just wondered wot is wrong with bounce or TLFR? bounce did pretty well and TLFR is perhaps their most introspective artistic album to date...

What's wrong with Bounce? I just don't know where they are going with this record. As you rightfully noticed they should be carivng their artistic niche. I just don't see how Bounce helps them with that.

And TLFR as a project seems kinda pointless to me. Okay, I could live with it. I don't know about casual fans though.

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Originally Posted by Jag

i kinda seem confused by this post cos bon jovi have been on a huge roll and will be celebrating the 20yr box xset plus 100mill mark...not as if they are on the wane or struggling in any shape or form

I guess I just have hard time accepting that deep inside I actually agree with a lot of things that critics say about the band.

i thought bounce had alot of things going for it but the shot their won foot.

TLFR is an artistic canvas for themselves, why is it pointless, cos it isnt a huge hard rock album? the band have bene round long enough to do wot they please and if that includes musical masturbation.

well msot critics i think talk utter nonsense about the band and too much on jons hair

Jag · #30 03-28-2004, 01:42 AM

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Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Jag

it still sold its share tho, it was never gonna touch the heights of previous offerings.

You're asking what's wrong with Bounce as it sold pretty well, I told you it didn't. There's a connection between the both. There are no great songs on it. There are good ones, but no great classics. I'm not talking about hitsingles, I'm talking about classics in the eyes of fans or general public. Bounce hasn't got any. Maybe 3 ; Undivided, Hook Me Up and Bounce (now don't you all start a discussion that you think there are other 3 classics) my point is there aren't that many great songs on it, which is why it sold badly.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

well it all comes to opinion but i think the album has many great tracks, no true classics i suppose, but great tracks.

i think ryan would start the 'bounce a classic' topic

or has he turned into a TD zombie like much of this board :P

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