Can we handle this discussion?

Originally Posted by Jag

i thought bounce had alot of things going for it but the shot their won foot.

Originally Posted by Jag

TLFR is an artistic canvas for themselves, why is it pointless, cos it isnt a huge hard rock album? the band have bene round long enough to do wot they please and if that includes musical masturbation.

Originally Posted by Jag

well msot critics i think talk utter nonsense about the band and too much on jons hair

Originally Posted by Jag

TLFR is an artistic canvas for themselves, why is it pointless, cos it isnt a huge hard rock album? the band have bene round long enough to do wot they please and if that includes musical masturbation.

well msot critics i think talk utter nonsense about the band and too much on jons hair

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

The problem with Bounce is that it has got too much of everything, and none of it has been worked out that it sounds finished. It all sounds just well...lazy. Vocals are lazy, no real guitarwork that makes you feel amazed again when hearing it plus that there's nothing surprising in it or something that gives you power, except for the three songs I mentioned.

You can think it's an artistic canvas, I'll keep saying it's nothing special. It's the sort of stuff me and Thierry do for fun with 2 guitars when playing. We've done exactly the same, though not when playing serious. Bon Jovi took themselves serious and think that what they've done is really something special but it isn't. I can do it together with Thierry, Ice and Tom if I'd have the possibility. There's a reason why this hasn't been done before.

It's not pointless because it doesn't include huge hardrock, it's pointless because no-one was waiting for something like this. They've been saying it was a present for the fans but I still need to meet the first fan who thinks it's great what they've done. Every fan would've loved the Yokohama show instead, though some like you enjoy listening to this. If you all would've gotten the choice you would've chosen for Yokohama. TLFR will sound old fashioned in 2 years. Yokohama won't.

What Santa Fe means is that she now agrees with what critics have been saying all this time about Bon Jovi, and at the time critics started to take them serious here in Europe during the KTF and TD era, they blew it completely with Crush. And I'm not talking about tabloids like Rolling Stone or Kerrang, I'm talking about Q for example, or Classic Rock Magazine.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Santa_Fe

If you want to make some kinda statement - make it. Write new songs, make them sound the way you want them to sound. Then take them on the road and see how people react to it and face consequences.

I thought they acted kinda cowardly.

Originally Posted by Jag

i neevr thought TLFR was a statment at all..more like just an artistic adventure for them...and i think it is the total oppisite of cowardly, i thought wot they did was veyr gutsy.

Originally Posted by Santa_Fe

Okay, replace "making statement" with " having an artistic adventure" in my post. I didn't like that they didn't take it on the road to expose it to people.

Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

I think they are underrated these days as they were overrated when they had their climax. Saying this you can guess that I think they had already their career climax. I'd say it lasted from 87/88 to 95. It's My Life was a corner pillar in their career, but I think for the most people it was more of a on hit wonder. It was just an IN-song at the time. (Those who discovered the band through It's My Life, please don't feel insulted.)

I just think that there's a difference in what you do when you try to make it big and what you do when you are big. I mean, the band doesn't have to prove itself to the public - in the way when they were starting out. They know what they can and 'the world' knows it, too. 100 million records sold is proof enough. They are not praised every here and there, but I think they get enough respect nowadays.

I don't need them to deliver big hits. Times have changed, more than Bon Jovi have. I like their music and style from the first release until the twisted hits of TLFR. If they get another climax in the future I won't mind, but I don't wait for it. I will stick to them as long as they keep up their style, which, again, I think, has evolved but not changed that much. If it brings another big time, hell, cool, but I wouldn't like to see them making it big again just for the sake of it. They are big enough for me. Bon Jovi is a mark and I just don't think they are able to ruin completely what they built up in their first decade.

Apart from the hits I was never a big Stones fan, but hell look at their career, they are doing quite well. One day in the future there will be no Bon Jovi, I guess we all know that. Therefore I appreciate what they deliver and that they have the muse to go on, well, I'm just a fan. Maybe I would not have become a fan through Bounce, but since I know it's a Bon Jovi release I rather tend to like it than to look over it. I mean, if I hadn't known Bon Jovi before I could have missed it, but as a fan I'm glad it's there.

Reading again what I just wrote, it sounds like I don't like the recent stuff, but that's not true. I just mean, it is not their biggest time nowadays, but I can still feel their style in their releases what makes me like them a lot. I already see the replies... blind follower. Well, I decided long ago to be a Bon Jovi fan and it took me years. It's not easy to change my attitude there. And it's the least important to me if they are #1 with every release. Knowing that there was a time where they were HUGE, sort of officially, is enough for me. For me, they still are.

Originally Posted by Supersonic

And I'm not talking about tabloids like Rolling Stone or Kerrang, I'm talking about Q for example, or Classic Rock Magazine.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by ugly_queen_from_mars