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Yes, the average person wouldn't care 20 48.78%
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But the Vince/Motley argument doesn't stand up. Vince's name isn't Motley. You have to know the name of the lead singer of that band to really cash in on the association.
It totally does though. Jon is one of the few artists who has his band named after his name. Any fan, including casual fans, who would get Motley tickets, would equally know who Vince Neil is. Just because Vince isn't named after Motley, doesn't mean that he's a less marketable artist than Jon is with Bon Jovi.... Jon might be easier to market, sharing the name but fans know what the deal is... People are going to know what's going on prior to the purchase. It's not like people are going to show up to a JBJ concert and be surprised with 5 other musicians standing behind him.
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Joe Q.Public doesn't care who is in the band. It's strictly for the hits.
I don't agree but I also think it depends.

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Richie bailing and ticket sales still being strong prove that to the point where if Dave or Tico left I don't think it would stop ticket sales. If Jon's right hand man didn't do much, other than some diehards griping and boycotting, he could conceivably keep this going. Do I want him to? Absolutely not. I just don't think the band name means what it used to mean or what it means to us.
I think most people already had their tickets prior to Richie leaving and most really didn't know what the deal was in terms of his return. If there was a new tour announcement without Richie, I don't think ticket sales would be as stong.
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The casual audience doesn't care about Richie. Jon is Bon Jovi.
I agree, most people don't seem to know there's a difference. He'd have to include a lot of Bon Jovi hits in the shows though, which might defeat the point.
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It totally does though. Jon is one of the few artists who has his band named after his name. Any fan, including casual fans, who would get Motley tickets, would equally know who Vince Neil is. Just because Vince isn't named after Motley, doesn't mean that he's a less marketable artist than Jon is with Bon Jovi.... Jon might be easier to market, sharing the name but fans know what the deal is... People are going to know what's going on prior to the purchase. It's not like people are going to show up to a JBJ concert and be surprised with 5 other musicians standing behind him.

I don't agree but I also think it depends.



I think most people already had their tickets prior to Richie leaving and most really didn't know what the deal was in terms of his return. If there was a new tour announcement without Richie, I don't think ticket sales would be as stong.
I still say that's crazy to think that the Bon Jovi/Jon Bon Jovi scenario is the same as Vince Neil/Motley Crue. If you youtube Living on a Prayer it's infinitely more likely to have the artist as Jon Bon Jovi than looking for Home Sweet home and seeing "By Vince Neil".

Fans, yes. They're gonna get it. Someone going for nostalgia purposes, it's not a lick of difference in North America. Not only did people still go to the shows that they had tickets to post Richie's departure legs were ADDED TO THE TOUR. A band in shambles with their fanbase doesn't add dates for people in the hopes of maybe Richie will come back. The earth kept spinning and the trucks kept moving which kind of makes me sad.
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I still say that's crazy to think that the Bon Jovi/Jon Bon Jovi scenario is the same as Vince Neil/Motley Crue. If you youtube Living on a Prayer it's infinitely more likely to have the artist as Jon Bon Jovi than looking for Home Sweet home and seeing "By Vince Neil".

Fans, yes. They're gonna get it. Someone going for nostalgia purposes, it's not a lick of difference in North America. Not only did people still go to the shows that they had tickets to post Richie's departure legs were ADDED TO THE TOUR. A band in shambles with their fanbase doesn't add dates for people in the hopes of maybe Richie will come back. The earth kept spinning and the trucks kept moving which kind of makes me sad.
It is crazy if we were comparing the two in terms of popularity which we aren't. I'm just stating that just because Jon Bon jovi is his name doesn't mean he shares the same power as Bon jovi. I just used Motley / Vince as a comparison to prove why he / they aren't. So many huge artist have put out solo albums and failed for no other reason than it not being under the band name. Look what Jon did in '97 as a solo artist and that's why none of us have Sex Sells sitting on our CD shelf right now.

In the states, Roger Waters sells out stadiums based on his name alone with no obvious Pink Floyd reference in his name.

Bottom line, majority of the people buying tickets know the nature of the events prior and are not as naive as people think they are on here. The people buying the tickets are fans of some sort and know the deal, trust me. There is not one person at a Motley Crue concert who has no idea who Vince Neil is.

Jon would never do a band show without Bon Jovi because he knows they would never be as good as the real thing. With that said, people don't want to line up for a JBJ solo set with some band songs thrown in, regardless if it's with the KOS or an all star solo band. Jon would probably do well but not as good as a number 1 tour. I think a summer amphitheater tour would be more fitting for a JBJ solo show but why bother when he could throw in Dave and Tico and pull off a real Bon Jovi stadium tour. We are talking about one of the biggest touring acts in the world right now. Jon Bon jovi as a solo artist could not pull off such magnitude.

You are almost implying that people will be tricked into it or they won't even notice that's it just Jon once they get there. Not happening! Jon would be totally upfront promotion wise prior to any ticket sales and everyone would know what they are getting. Especially with social media.
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The casual audience doesn't care about Richie. Jon is Bon Jovi.
+1. Sad but true.
Now if lessons from your elders are to be learned, remember what happened to Bruce Springsteen in the 90s: Bruce fired the E Street Band in 1989. Then he did several solo tours (really solo, i.e. "Springsteen alone + his acoustic guitar + his harmonica" as the concert posters said), then in 1992-93 he simultaneously released 2 new albums without the E Streeters then toured with session musicians + surviving E Streeter Roy Bittan (the band was nicknamed "the other band", to give you an idea of how much the public cared about them!). Bruce tickets had NEVER been so easy to find and he/they didn't play stadiums but medium-sized concert venues. Because everybody hated the albums and didn't care about "the other band".
Then in 1999 Bruce called the E Streeters back and tickets were very very hard to find again.

The casual audience may not care about the band members but they go to a BJ concert to hear BJ songs (hits) so I guess it will all depend on the quality of the next album (and of Jon's voice).
And expectations are very low according to some (I always find these lists funny) :
http://www.3wsradio.com/onair/jonny-...ey-10-12982297

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It is crazy if we were comparing the two in terms of popularity which we aren't. I'm just stating that just because Jon Bon jovi is his name doesn't mean he shares the same power as Bon jovi. I just used Motley / Vince as a comparison to prove why he / they aren't. So many huge artist have put out solo albums and failed for no other reason than it not being under the band name. Look what Jon did in '97 as a solo artist and that's why none of us have Sex Sells sitting on our CD shelf right now.

In the states, Roger Waters sells out stadiums based on his name alone with no obvious Pink Floyd reference in his name.

Bottom line, majority of the people buying tickets know the nature of the events prior and are not as naive as people think they are on here. The people buying the tickets are fans of some sort and know the deal, trust me. There is not one person at a Motley Crue concert who has no idea who Vince Neil is.

Jon would never do a band show without Bon Jovi because he knows they would never be as good as the real thing. With that said, people don't want to line up for a JBJ solo set with some band songs thrown in, regardless if it's with the KOS or an all star solo band. Jon would probably do well but not as good as a number 1 tour. I think a summer amphitheater tour would be more fitting for a JBJ solo show but why bother when he could throw in Dave and Tico and pull off a real Bon Jovi stadium tour. We are talking about one of the biggest touring acts in the world right now. Jon Bon jovi as a solo artist could not pull off such magnitude.

You are almost implying that people will be tricked into it or they won't even notice once they get there. Not happening!
I see what you're getting at now. But I'm not talking about Jon booking a tour in support of his own solo career. I'm talking about him launching tours, very similar to the way the band does things, just doing it behind his own name. I was never talking about public recognition of his solo songs or cover songs.

Let's say a friend of yours says you they bought a ticket to see Jon Bon Jovi live without knowing anything about why they're touring. They're probably going because of the Bon Jovi hits and not because they saw the video for Midnight in Chelsea online. I have multiple friends who have seen Bon Jovi a few times and called it "him" and "I saw Jon Bon Jovi". I'm just saying it's not far fetched for Jon to release music similar to the band but on his own and the public won't bat an eyelash.

You mention that they won't notice once they get there. Won't notice what? The hits are being played, the talk box is still there, the smokey 12 string acoustic of Wanted too. They've nestled themselves into nostalgia because the new music isn't resonating and it's been too many years since relevancy that the line up will impact the masses buying tickets.
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I see what you're getting at now. But I'm not talking about Jon booking a tour in support of his own solo career. I'm talking about him launching tours, very similar to the way the band does things, just doing it behind his own name. I was never talking about public recognition of his solo songs or cover songs.

Let's say a friend of yours says you they bought a ticket to see Jon Bon Jovi live without knowing anything about why they're touring. They're probably going because of the Bon Jovi hits and not because they saw the video for Midnight in Chelsea online. I have multiple friends who have seen Bon Jovi a few times and called it "him" and "I saw Jon Bon Jovi". I'm just saying it's not far fetched for Jon to release music similar to the band but on his own and the public won't bat an eyelash.

You mention that they won't notice once they get there. Won't notice what? The hits are being played, the talk box is still there, the smokey 12 string acoustic of Wanted too. They've nestled themselves into nostalgia because the new music isn't resonating and it's been too many years since relevancy that the line up will impact the masses buying tickets.
What's the point?

What's the point of changing Bon Jovi to Jon Bon Jovi with Tico, Dave and Hugh still in the band?

And what's the point of getting rid of them so Jon could tour under the band name?
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What's the point?

What's the point of changing Bon Jovi to Jon Bon Jovi with Tico, Dave and Hugh still in the band?

And what's the point of getting rid of them so Jon could tour under the band name?
It's all purely hypothetical. I don't think he'd do that to them and kick them out. no. My original question was intended to be if Tico Dave and Hugh moved on for instance.
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It's all purely hypothetical. I don't think he'd do that to them and kick them out. no. My original question was intended to be if Tico Dave and Hugh moved on for instance.
If Tico Dave and Hugh moved and with Jon's current vocal state being the way it is, Jon would never attempt a band tour like he does today. 20 years ago, maybe but not today. The sound is all that's left and it can't be duplicated by other musicians.

I do agree that it's mostly all about Jon but the rest of the guys being there do offer a comfort and it won't be the same watch Jon interact with others.

I don't think Jon would even attempt it because if it didn't work, it would destroy him as an artist.
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I see what you're getting at now. But I'm not talking about Jon booking a tour in support of his own solo career. I'm talking about him launching tours, very similar to the way the band does things, just doing it behind his own name. I was never talking about public recognition of his solo songs or cover songs.

Let's say a friend of yours says you they bought a ticket to see Jon Bon Jovi live without knowing anything about why they're touring. They're probably going because of the Bon Jovi hits and not because they saw the video for Midnight in Chelsea online. I have multiple friends who have seen Bon Jovi a few times and called it "him" and "I saw Jon Bon Jovi". I'm just saying it's not far fetched for Jon to release music similar to the band but on his own and the public won't bat an eyelash.

You mention that they won't notice once they get there. Won't notice what? The hits are being played, the talk box is still there, the smokey 12 string acoustic of Wanted too. They've nestled themselves into nostalgia because the new music isn't resonating and it's been too many years since relevancy that the line up will impact the masses buying tickets.
By the way, the whole... a friend of yours says you they bought a ticket to see Jon Bon Jovi live without knowing anything about why they're touring....

Sure there are naive people out there buying tickets but not on a mass scale and not enough for a tour promoter to go off of.
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