Dedicated to those that say "Bon Jovi is a pop group&qu

Well.

I think Living on a Prayer is a very good song lyrically. And musically.

In fact Bon Jovi's got many songs with great lyrics.

Again it depends on what you understand under good lyrics.

Don't get me wrong, I think the lyrics are great, I just don't think they hold any deep meaning, which is what this whole debate was about.... I think lyrics like, 'Let it Rock, let it go, you can't stop the fire burn it out of controle' are great lyrics..... no depth at all, heavily cliched, but they really rock, and sound great. Bon Jovi lyrics are usually, or used to be, very good in this way, they fitted the songs superbly.

Living on a Prayer doesn't hold a deep meaning? It does to me. But you see when I was a kid no one told me that LOAP (and Bon Jovi in general) is just a meaningless cliched lyrics to "bang your head to".

Don't mix Lel It Rock and Raise Your Hands with LOAP, please. LIR&RYH ARE songs to bang your head to. LOAP is not. LOAP is a universal anthem about what's important in life, about not losing hope. I think that song is as good as songs of this genre get.

No, they're not songs to "bang you head to", that's more the sort of Saxon Wheels of Steel type song..... Let it rock is a great rock song, not just because it follows a rock struture, and has that rock quality, but becuase it is a superb song, with great vocals, guitars (solo) drums, and one of the few BJ songs where I'd say the keyboards are really great!

Livin has no impact lyrically to me, it's not an anthem about what's important in life..... the only time it's ever played really is at football finals, and ice hockey games! The song takes an anthem like quality, like We Will Rock You is an anthem, but lyrically I just don't see what the big deal is about it. Listen to the acoustic version, and it dies, that's what I've always found. It still sounds nice, but it isn't a Born in the USA!

That's cool.

Our tastes are dictated by our upbringing, culture we grew up in, education. I wasn't born in the USA. I wasn't even born in the Western World. So, Born in the USA sounds like a drivel to me. There is nothing in that song that speaks to me you know. Yeah, the guy uses long words sometimes. And he can be verbose and repetitive. Okay. LOAP on the other hand is something I can totally relate to in spite of my upbringing and culture I grew up in. Some artists cross everything. Most don't.

Let it rock sounds to me like a strupid rock song. It may have all those characteristics you listed but it is still a stupid rock song. So is We will rock you. But We will rock you is a lot more interesting IMO. There is nothing wrong with stupid rock songs. I understand the purpose of those. But you cannot compare them with LOAP or WDoA.

Calling them stupid rock songs shows you don't have any apreciation of how powerful those songs are...... I don't consider everything I do, all my asperations and ambitions to be stupid! Lyrics don't make a rock song, not at all.... Look at something like Fanfare for the Comman man, or The Attitude Song, these were two of the best rock songs I"ve heard, and instrumental!!!!

Born in the USA isn't a patriotic song..... it's about the Vietnam war, and is a powerful piece of poetry.

You mean Right Side of Wrong.

I am sorry I didn't mean to offend what you do. It wasn't intentional. By stupid rock songs I mean kinda meaningless, maybe, rock songs. Like Let it rock or We will rock you. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I love some of them. In fact We will rock you is one of my fav Queen compositions. The whole thing is just spectacular. Sometimes I put it on constant repeat in my CD player. The feeling I get from that song is amazing. Elation. Just makes me feel good. And I am a big fan of Queen.

I agree with you when you say that lyrics don't make rock songs. But I also think that guitar or drum solos or any kind of solos don't make good rock songs. Overall feeling, attitude, how it affects your mood, how balanced a song is - that's what matters for making good rock songs IMO.

I never mentioned that I thought Born In the USA was a patriotic song. The song is obvious. You think BitUSA is a powerful piece of poetry - good for you. You enjoy it. Just don't tell me that I should think it's a powerful piece of poetry. Ok? I am a big fan of poetry, by the way. Bruce is just not my kind of poet. I like lyrics to LOAP a lot better. LOAP speaks to me a lot more. That's all.

Bon Jovi are only pop, in the way that they are POPULAR. Pop groups don't write their own music, don't sing live, and usually don't play any instruments where as Bon Jovi do! If a pop group were to split up do you think they would still make music for their own hobby? NO. If that were happen to Bon Jovi, do you think Jon, Richie, etc, would stop writing songs... NO.

The only thing that matter is that BON JOVI ROCKS MAN