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Old 12-06-2003, 03:17 AM
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Bon Jovi are survivors- they sell out venues, they are not playing state fairs like their 80's contemporaries, and they have done it their way.
They DO sell tours. And they don't use REUNION or FAREWELL labels to sell tickets or get media attention. They do it their way.

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Old 12-06-2003, 03:26 AM
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yeah youve got it all man

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Old 12-06-2003, 04:41 AM
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Somehow u sound like an expert on that, well in case u never thought about that, laying on yer ass all day & eating chocolate just get you fat, and when u get faaaaaaat the lesser are ur chances to get laid, so u end up with more chocolate and so on, and I bet cheesy Jovi-crap won't make u feel any better......or did u already know all that? Oh, and well, Jovi has nothing to do with that!....
Thank you for this VERYnice comment.
For your personal information: I'm 20 years, quiet good looking had my last boyfriend for 8 months and do a lot of other things in my life than lying on my bed and eating chocolate.
But everybody has the right to feel bad sometimes and if music with "cheesy"lyrics helps out of that situation, why not?

And now I'll listen to some Slayer, or Darkthrone or Metallica (of course pre 1990-era), because I'm really ANGRY
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Old 12-06-2003, 07:14 AM
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For better or worse, the basis of a majority of rock and rock-pop songs is cliche. It's the nature of the beast. If you are looking for lyrical depth and hidden meanings, Bon Jovi aren't the band. But then again, neither are the Rolling Stones.

Do they know that they are writing easily digestable lyrics that have immediate meaning for the general public? Yes. The critics let them know that around every corner. They've made a career of making money off Halmark card slogans. Why act like it's a major revelation?

I think Bon Jovi's brand of cheese is a grade higher than most store bought brands though. That they occasionally come up with an insightful lyric hints at the intelligence in the band, but few songs cohesively develop it.

Not everything needs to be deep though. Sometimes all a person wants is to shout out "You Give Love A Bad Name." Does it approach the poetic brilliance of U2's "One" ? Not at all, but it's "fun" and there's a place in rock for that. So what if two of their latest ballads are lines stolen from movies. For quite a bit of the population, saying: "thank you for loving me" is just fine and meaningful.

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On another note, these threads are ironically very quickly become a victim of cliche. It's the same theme, different dressing every day now.
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Old 12-06-2003, 08:07 AM
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That the lyrics to many of their songs are incredibly cheesy?
They probably wouldn't use that word "cheesy", but they know it's simple, easy to relate to rock'n'roll lyrics. Wether some lyrics are cheesy and/or stupid is a matter of taste. I don't think they'd put the songs on the album if they thought the lyrics were bad.
I'd love to ask them what the hell they were thinking when writing some songs though...

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Does Jon realise that the reason 'Save the World' was not chosen for Armageddon was because of the lyrics and the cheesiness, and not because Aerosmith had already recorded a ballad?
If he knows he probably doesn't care, he still managed to sell Mr Big Time.

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Nobody can be blind to the obvious hilariousness of many of their lyrics. Do you think they know?
They have a target audience, that they wish as large as possible, but I think they are very well aware that some people hate their work and find them ridiculous. Should they care? Maybe when it starts to come from die hard fans...

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Do they write the lyrics like that on purpose to appeal to their target audience?
I don't think that's always been the case, but it's what I feel from their latest work. Songs like AALY are Bon Jovi products, not songs.
Their really inspired work brought up three sorts of successful songs: optimistic rock'n'roll, cowboy songs and power ballads. It's the receipe they've been overusing since Crush (with some sort of modern touch) after darker directions had been tried with less success. The point is obviously to appeal to their (wrongly?) targetted audience.

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I think Bon Jovi's brand of cheese is a grade higher than most store bought brands though.
Bon Jovi's brand of cheese, huh?

What a degrading statement ... Thank you for basically calling people who genuinely like Bon Jovi songs for both lyrics and melody idiots in your post. And, yes, I know you didn't say it. But there were "hints". Thank God you admit that the band has "hints" at the intelligence though. That makes me feel so much better.
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I think Bon Jovi's brand of cheese is a grade higher than most store bought brands though.
Bon Jovi's brand of cheese, huh?

What a degrading statement ... Thank you for basically calling people who genuinely like Bon Jovi songs for both lyrics and melody idiots in your post. And, yes, I know you didn't say it. But there were "hints". Thank God you admit that the band has "hints" at the intelligence though. That makes me feel so much better.
Someone's had a bad evening? Wanna talk about it?

I think he didn't mean to be as hard as you seem to have read it.

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Old 12-06-2003, 09:31 AM
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Someone's had a bad evening? Wanna talk about it?

I think he didn't mean to be as hard as you seem to have read it.

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You think it's okay? You know, brand of cheese, hints at the intelligence? That's what the band's haters usually say. It pains me to see fans making such degrading and uppish statements. Hints at the intelligence - this kills me.

I understand he tried to be eloquent. And yes, I'm not a happy bunny today. I'm just so tired and cannot sleep.
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Someone's had a bad evening? Wanna talk about it?

I think he didn't mean to be as hard as you seem to have read it.

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You think it's okay? You know, brand of cheese, hints at the intelligence? That's what the band's haters usually say. It pains me to see fans making such degrading and uppish statements. Hints at the intelligence - this kills me.

I understand he tried to be eloquent. And yes, I'm not a happy bunny today. I'm just so tired and cannot sleep.
There are some bad statements around for sure. But I think he was saying it's a general way in rock that bands come up with simple cliche lyrics, and Bon Jovi are no exception, and that the guys are smarter than their lyrics. That's not that degrading to me.
For the brand of cheese thing, that's just because "cheesy" is a very fashionable word these days. I almost heard some irony in it.
Maybe I got it all wrong though

Can't sleep either... let's post 'til we fall!

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Old 12-06-2003, 09:54 AM
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he was saying it's a general way in rock that bands come up with simple cliche lyrics, and Bon Jovi are no exception, and that the guys are smarter than their lyrics.
That sounds a lot better.

I hate the word "cheesy". Just hate it. Someone puts so much efforts into songs and everything, and then people say "cheesy". I don't want to hear "cheesy" when it comes down to my work.

It's 2:50 already. Oh, god, when will I get up tomorrow? On the other hand it's Saturday, we can sleep as much as we want. I need to go shopping though. I got no food left. Do you have to work tomorrow?
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