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Old 05-20-2004, 05:52 AM
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Maybe because you girls aren't musicians or play the guitar.
I'm out of practice, but I played piano for years and went through six years worth of lessons in less than 2 years. Then I got bored with it and quit to learn bass guitar. I still dabble with the piano on occassion, but the only "bass" I bother with now is on a fishing line.

You can't accurately assume that lack of enthusiasm about guitar solos is due to lack of musicianship.

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Well yeah, but we all know that Richie is capable of a lot better!
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Solo's are great and show what the musician has to offer, but they are not essential for a great song. When I hear a song, I focus more on the lyrics and how the singer is getting the message, story, or whatever across. If I can get lost in the lyrics and vocals and not be thinking, seeing, or hearing anything else, then it is a great song to me. The lyrics and vocals are initially what gets me into a song, after that I can appreciate the rest of the band and their instruments and solos and get lost in them. At least that's how it works for me.
Btw, I play guitar and write songs, and I enjoy writting songs the most cause I think lyrics are more important and they acuratly show what I feel and think, although playing guitar has helped me deal with frustrations at times.
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He is capable of better like he used to show on the older albums - just cos he doesn't show it now doesn't mean he's lost his ability, he's just changed his style. But I do prefer his classic solos to the newer stuff.
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Yeah I think it's always nice to have a musical break within the lyrics. It doesn't have to be a guitar solo though. It can be a keyboard, bass, saxophone, drum or harmonica solo. Maybe Bon Jovi should experiment with a few different instruments, but only as long as they stay in the "rock" genre.
But Richie is the only musician capable in Bon Jovi. David's keyboard solos leave a lot to be desired, even if they are very few and far between. Bass solos are extremely hit and miss, and unless you're Billy Sheehen I'd say need the exact right sound, in the exact right song to pull it off. Sax solos just make it sound like porn music.
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Yeah I think it's always nice to have a musical break within the lyrics. It doesn't have to be a guitar solo though. It can be a keyboard, bass, saxophone, drum or harmonica solo. Maybe Bon Jovi should experiment with a few different instruments, but only as long as they stay in the "rock" genre.
But Richie is the only musician capable in Bon Jovi. David's keyboard solos leave a lot to be desired, even if they are very few and far between. Bass solos are extremely hit and miss, and unless you're Billy Sheehen I'd say need the exact right sound, in the exact right song to pull it off. Sax solos just make it sound like porn music.
I agree. Sax solos work in blues, and jazz. But in rock they just sound sleazy! I can't really imagine a BJ song with a sax solo, unless they were to move in a different musical direction altogether in order to incorporate it.

As for keyboard solos, I've always had faith in Daves playing (as unjustified as that may be), but I honestly don't think he could provide a solo spot anywhere near the calibre that Richie could. He ain't no Jordan Rudess I'm afraid....

As for guitar solos......I love 'em! They're not entirely necessary, and I listen to loads and loads of music which hasn't got a guitar solo anywhere in it, but Bon Jovi without guitar solos is like bread without butter - dry and tasteless
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Simply the Best. sax solo, nuff said
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As for keyboard solos, I've always had faith in Daves playing (as unjustified as that may be), but I honestly don't think he could provide a solo spot anywhere near the calibre that Richie could. He ain't no Jordan Rudess I'm afraid....
David's a very good keyboard player in my eyes... in a give him the music and he can play it. Even Homebound train the keys solo is just up and down scales really fast, which is good but it doesn't show anything other than speed. But as you say, richie writes consistantly good guitar solos. I'd say not because they're fast, even tho he can play fast, but because they're well constructed and go somewhere. I don't think David goes anywhere with his playing, which is what Bon Jovi needs, somebody to sit in the background. I also think that most keyboard players who play anything other than big sounding synths (i.e moogs) or hammonds generally don't sound paticularly good when soloing... You won't catch me soloing on a piano or strings very often!
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As for keyboard solos, I've always had faith in Daves playing (as unjustified as that may be), but I honestly don't think he could provide a solo spot anywhere near the calibre that Richie could. He ain't no Jordan Rudess I'm afraid....
David's a very good keyboard player in my eyes... in a give him the music and he can play it. Even Homebound train the keys solo is just up and down scales really fast, which is good but it doesn't show anything other than speed. But as you say, richie writes consistantly good guitar solos. I'd say not because they're fast, even tho he can play fast, but because they're well constructed and go somewhere. I don't think David goes anywhere with his playing, which is what Bon Jovi needs, somebody to sit in the background. I also think that most keyboard players who play anything other than big sounding synths (i.e moogs) or hammonds generally don't sound paticularly good when soloing... You won't catch me soloing on a piano or strings very often!
I guess David is just NOT THE RIGHT MAN for Bon Jovi.

He is an amazing piano player.Lunar Eclipse is absolutely brilliant. There were some periods in my life where i listened non-stop to Lunar Eclipse.It's just amazing and he plays with so much feeling.

On the other hand, Bon Jovi is not the right band to do that with.

Of course, Dave had some great moments with Bon Jovi but long keyboard solo's that are full of feeling as well don't fit with the type of music Bon Jovi have been recording.
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As for keyboard solos, I've always had faith in Daves playing (as unjustified as that may be), but I honestly don't think he could provide a solo spot anywhere near the calibre that Richie could. He ain't no Jordan Rudess I'm afraid....
David's a very good keyboard player in my eyes... in a give him the music and he can play it. Even Homebound train the keys solo is just up and down scales really fast, which is good but it doesn't show anything other than speed. But as you say, richie writes consistantly good guitar solos. I'd say not because they're fast, even tho he can play fast, but because they're well constructed and go somewhere. I don't think David goes anywhere with his playing, which is what Bon Jovi needs, somebody to sit in the background. I also think that most keyboard players who play anything other than big sounding synths (i.e moogs) or hammonds generally don't sound paticularly good when soloing... You won't catch me soloing on a piano or strings very often!
I guess David is just NOT THE RIGHT MAN for Bon Jovi.

He is an amazing piano player.Lunar Eclipse is absolutely brilliant. There were some periods in my life where i listened non-stop to Lunar Eclipse.It's just amazing and he plays with so much feeling.

On the other hand, Bon Jovi is not the right band to do that with.

Of course, Dave had some great moments with Bon Jovi but long keyboard solo's that are full of feeling as well don't fit with the type of music Bon Jovi have been recording.
I don't think whoever said keyboard solo's meant long ones... just instead of a gutiar solo, so for the same length.... I was doing 8 bar solos on the album I've just recorded, they're not long and they work fine.

I think David sits in and does his job in Bon Jovi... If I was the keyboard player I'd be making solos for myself, adding fills, making myself stand out in the band, which probably wouldn't work for Bon Jovi. Sambora is the front man (f uck Jon Bon Jovi) so if you're going to do a solo in Bon Jovi it has to be up to Richie's standards. I don't think David could write an 8 bar solo that would rock more than Richie's
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