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Old 12-12-2006, 10:41 PM
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I genuinely LIKE the lyrics of Welcome. I like that they can be about one thing in Jon's mind and something else in my mind. To me, that's the beauty of a GREAT song. It speaks to different people on different levels.

I think when you're writing about an issue you also have to consider that you might be singing the song 20 years from now. Let's say 20 years ago Jon felt strongly that gays should be accepted in society. Well, that song would be pretty outdated now, wouldn't it? Being gay isn't nearly the stigma it used to be. Twenty years from now gay marriage will probably be as common as hetero marriage and then Welcome would be dated.
I'm with you Becky. I like the lyrics to Welcome and find them very uplifting. And what does write lyrics "better than that" mean? Why can't a simple straightforward lyric have as much impact as say a lyric shrouded in symbolism and ambiguity.

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Old 12-12-2006, 11:04 PM
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With lyrics like the ones WTWYA, it's understandable that people (me including) wonders what the **** they are doing. The difference between the old Jovi and the new is so large that their behaviour must have an explanation in something external.

Whether it's a matter of interpretation or perception (perhaps both), good lyrics and songs doesn't includes lines like "Remember that you're perfect; God makes no mistakes", that's just rubbish and show lack of inspiration. Lines like that aren’t that much of interpretable if you ask me… Hey, even I could come up with that!

What ever Jon wants to say with that line, he sure could use another combination of words to do so. The initial idea with the song may indeed be good, but that doesn’t justify bad lyrics (in this matter I’m of course referring to the general situation).

And by the way how would homosexual marriages be as common as heterosexual marriages? That means that the straight people need to marriage a lot less or that we need a whole bunch of gay people coming along for the forthcoming 20 years...Society, most of the time, changes within its frames.
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And what does write lyrics "better than that" mean? Why can't a simple straightforward lyric have as much impact as say a lyric shrouded in symbolism and ambiguity.

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I thought Music was sort of an art... Perhaps I've been wrong.
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Hey God Tell me what the hell is going on, it seems like all the good shit is gone.....

Everybody's perfect, God makes no mistake....
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It seems the main gripe people have about Welcome is that it mentions God positively. Considering Bon Jovi's history of songs, and the amount of religious imagry and Biblical references that they've used in their past, that's an interesting reason to not like a song. Do you not like Dry County? Santa Fe? Save a Prayer?

And you're just being a smartass about the numbers of gays vs. straights. LOL Common means "unexceptional." So I was saying that it could be just as unexceptional for a gay couple to get married as a straight couple in years to come. Commonplace. Unnoteworthy. No big freaking deal.
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I thought Music was sort of an art... Perhaps I've been wrong.
Music is an art. Art has the power to make people react, be it positvely or negatively. If it wasn't art, we wouldn't be here discussing it.
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:43 AM
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Music is an art. Art has the power to make people react, be it positvely or negatively. If it wasn't art, we wouldn't be here discussing it.
Yep, precisely. That is why music is subjective what one person calls a terrible trite lyric another person may call inspirational.

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It was something Jon said in a Metal Edge interview for Bounce. That Crush was more of a pop album and it was both a Jon and a Jon and Richie album, and Bounce is Jon and Richie.
Ah . . . I haven't read Metal Edge since KTF was released.
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Old 12-13-2006, 05:38 AM
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I consider the lyrics of WTWYA trite, cheesy, and downright stupid. Perhaps it has something to do with the source: it's easy for a millionaire to say "welcome to whereever you are." It just seems forced to me. I have no problem with the use of religious imagery in music, but the "remember that you're perfect" line seems utterly stupid. It reads like something out of a quasi-religious lullaby/picture book written for three year olds.

Obviously I don't listen to this band for there lyrics alone: indeed, many of their great songs have utterly ridiculous lyrics (see: YGLABN). The music to Welcome is also terrible. It sounds like something you would hear on a bloody Hope Parlow record.

In conclusion, I don't find it uplifting, I find it irritating and genuinely terrible. By far the worst song on HAND. When I hear it, my response is something like STFU, stop telling me to be happy just because I exist: I consider that something I should be able to take for granted, thank you very much.
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Ah . . . I haven't read Metal Edge since KTF was released.
Heh I generally don't read it but they were on the cover. Jon had an interesting quote in it where he said about him and Richie writing and then "It's not like Tico and Dave write" or something. I should dig it up, it was a good read.
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