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Old 06-19-2006, 12:50 AM
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I wanted to quote Beavoid since the number of philosophical terms he used (like existentialism, stoicims, desperation, etc... )in relation to BON JOVI is quite amusing but than there would have been too much to quote. Dude, stop smoking so many joints, really. Now those lyrics might have some meaning behind them but it is not Nietzsche, it's no Satre, it's no Dostoyevski. It's just Bon Jovi. They tried hard to sound smart and I think they even managed, but what you put in their songs is pure speculation. I mean, rhyiming POPE with DOPE is what I call crap to be honest. If I don't believe in heroin how can I believe in dope? That's bad, that makes little sense, that just destroys everything...dope was used there just because it rhymes with pope and it makes absolutely no sense. Besides, the beginning of the song contradicts the chorus. I lost all faith in my God in my religion in the angels in my friends - if there's nothing but survival how can i believe in sin - in a world that gives me nothing i need something to believein....BUT WHY? I mean, why did I lose my faith and why do I need something to believe in? There's nothing in this song. It's just an attempt to be sophisticated and I am sure it works with the normal "shot through the heart and your to blame" fan. There is something about this song though...the instrumental fits perfectly with the mood that the lyrics transmit. And live it's just GREAT.

Bed of Roses? Poetry? Ok. Take some poesy and read it. Start with Blake.

These Days - again, describing "existentialism"? Oh my, reading something like this really hurts. These Days is a good song. Has a great melody and amazing lyrics but don't push it. Existentialims is KAFKA, CAMUS or even Hermann Hesse. Using words like this in relation to Bon Jovi is a blasphemy, you insult great authors who are dead and can't defend their creation.

Bon Jovi is a rock band people. They tried to have smart songs and on These Days and on some songs on Keep The Faith they managed. But making literature or philosophy out of it is exaggerated and would fit more as a parody in a Bon Jovi "appreciation society".

That's like saying "It's my life" is existentialist because it talks about one guys existence which is an "euphemism" for life...arghh...DUMB!

Having said all this, my favourite line in a Bon Jovi song is: " I've been to school but baby I've been the teacher!" ROCK 'N' ROLL!
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That's like saying "It's my life" is existentialist because it talks about one guys existence which is an "euphemism" for life...arghh...DUMB!
If anything, it's an epitome. And I would'nt call Kafka existencialism. But yeah, I agree, you shouldn't overdo it. I find it to be especially funny when people call Always so "sincere and cute" - I mean... "this one's about a stalker" anyone?
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I wanted to quote Beavoid since the number of philosophical terms he used (like existentialism, stoicims, desperation, etc... )in relation to BON JOVI is quite amusing but than there would have been too much to quote. Dude, stop smoking so many joints, really. Now those lyrics might have some meaning behind them but it is not Nietzsche, it's no Satre, it's no Dostoyevski. It's just Bon Jovi. They tried hard to sound smart and I think they even managed, but what you put in their songs is pure speculation. I mean, rhyiming POPE with DOPE is what I call crap to be honest. If I don't believe in heroin how can I believe in dope? That's bad, that makes little sense, that just destroys everything...dope was used there just because it rhymes with pope and it makes absolutely no sense. Besides, the beginning of the song contradicts the chorus. I lost all faith in my God in my religion in the angels in my friends - if there's nothing but survival how can i believe in sin - in a world that gives me nothing i need something to believein....BUT WHY? I mean, why did I lose my faith and why do I need something to believe in? There's nothing in this song. It's just an attempt to be sophisticated and I am sure it works with the normal "shot through the heart and your to blame" fan. There is something about this song though...the instrumental fits perfectly with the mood that the lyrics transmit. And live it's just GREAT.

Bed of Roses? Poetry? Ok. Take some poesy and read it. Start with Blake.

These Days - again, describing "existentialism"? Oh my, reading something like this really hurts. These Days is a good song. Has a great melody and amazing lyrics but don't push it. Existentialims is KAFKA, CAMUS or even Hermann Hesse. Using words like this in relation to Bon Jovi is a blasphemy, you insult great authors who are dead and can't defend their creation.

Bon Jovi is a rock band people. They tried to have smart songs and on These Days and on some songs on Keep The Faith they managed. But making literature or philosophy out of it is exaggerated and would fit more as a parody in a Bon Jovi "appreciation society".

That's like saying "It's my life" is existentialist because it talks about one guys existence which is an "euphemism" for life...arghh...DUMB!

Having said all this, my favourite line in a Bon Jovi song is: " I've been to school but baby I've been the teacher!" ROCK 'N' ROLL!
Well, like you can think it is just a try to sound deep, someone can think it is actually deep...
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I wanted to quote Beavoid since the number of philosophical terms he used (like existentialism, stoicims, desperation, etc... )in relation to BON JOVI is quite amusing but than there would have been too much to quote.
So, just because its BJ some terms cant be used in same sentence with theme... Well, OK, you believe theres nothing deep in Bon Jovi, and they are unable to write deep lyrics...
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Dude, stop smoking so many joints, really. Now those lyrics might have some meaning behind them but it is not Nietzsche, it's no Satre, it's no Dostoyevski. It's just Bon Jovi. They tried hard to sound smart and I think they even managed, but what you put in their songs is pure speculation.
Offcorse its speculation! No one can know for sure what did they think when they were writing those songs... Its allways speculation!

Do you know whos Godot (by Beckett), what does Godot stand for?!? NO ONE KNOWS! They are just speculating that Godot could be HOPE, some are speculating that Godot could be GOD, etc... No on knows, even Beckett said that even he doesnt know! Whats great about it is that different persons with different life can pull out different meanings of it...


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I mean, rhyiming POPE with DOPE is what I call crap to be honest. If I don't believe in heroin how can I believe in dope? That's bad, that makes little sense, that just destroys everything...dope was used there just because it rhymes with pope and it makes absolutely no sense.
Well, to you... To me it does... Both,heroin (that represents drugs here) can make you little more "powerfull" (you fell like you are stronger, like there are no problems in your life, etc...) and dope (which really gives your body extra something, you can breed deeper, your brain pushes your body above limits, etc... )

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Besides, the beginning of the song contradicts the chorus. I lost all faith in my God in my religion in the angels in my friends - if there's nothing but survival how can i believe in sin - in a world that gives me nothing i need something to believein....BUT WHY? I mean, why did I lose my faith and why do I need something to believe in? There's nothing in this song. It's just an attempt to be sophisticated and I am sure it works with the normal "shot through the heart and your to blame" fan. There is something about this song though...the instrumental fits perfectly with the mood that the lyrics transmit. And live it's just GREAT.
Someone can loose his faith in God (or anything he believes) for different reasons, its clear... He needs to believe, because if you dont believe in anything than your life doesnt have much sense... You dont have any goal, you just live because you need to eat and breed... You can believe in God, or you can believe in Arsenal, or you can try hard and believe that you will finish your high school... Its well know when people finish one goal they are searching for another, thats what makes theme feel theyir life has sense, thats what keeps them pushing again and again... Thats fighting in life... Life has sense as long as you fight and believe, when you stop it hasnt...

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These Days - again, describing "existentialism"? Oh my, reading something like this really hurts. These Days is a good song. Has a great melody and amazing lyrics but don't push it. Existentialims is KAFKA, CAMUS or even Hermann Hesse. Using words like this in relation to Bon Jovi is a blasphemy, you insult great authors who are dead and can't defend their creation.
Yeah, and whats really with that Bug (KAFKA)? It just describes little men who become bug and cant move out of his bed!??? A try to sound deep? Even Kafka didnt believe his books are OK for publishing... He wanted to burn theme!? Maybe because he thinked he didnt succeed in thrying to sound deep!?

P.S. Hope you got it...

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Bon Jovi is a rock band people. They tried to have smart songs and on These Days and on some songs on Keep The Faith they managed. But making literature or philosophy out of it is exaggerated and would fit more as a parody in a Bon Jovi "appreciation society".
Just because its rock band it doesnt mean they cant think with their minds about life and write deep lyrics... For me, music is ART, just like painthing, poetry, etc... And they are ARTISTS.

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That's like saying "It's my life" is existentialist because it talks about one guys existence which is an "euphemism" for life...arghh...DUMB!
Maybe it is, maybe it changed someons life, someones perception of life, it could be, and it doesnt have to be...

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Having said all this, my favourite line in a Bon Jovi song is: " I've been to school but baby I've been the teacher!" ROCK 'N' ROLL!
good guys don't always wear white
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epitome
thank you. that's the word i couldn't remember...

Regarding Kafka, yeah, we could start a length discussion. Just labelling him as an "existentialist" is probably unjust, by no means is it wrong.
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Next one: Satellite

Are you out there? Can you hear me?
Do you know my whereabouts?
Do you know what I'm all about?
Through the static you're so close, so far away

Are you listening?
I'm desperate.
Sendin' out an S.O.S.
'Cause I'm lost I must confess
Throw a lifeline
I'm down here drownin'
In the deepest part of me

Satellite
Can you feel me?
Satellite
Come and heal me
Are you watchin' over me tonight?
I need to know you're out there

Are your lines open and receiving?
You know I got so much to say
I just don't want to fade away
Keep on talkin' 'cause you're keeping' me alive


The song in whole is just perfect, its so emotional and whole concept is breathtaking... And again, for me, from my POW, he is searching for somone who is allways watching on us and who allways takes care that we are OK.

He could even try to find out is our life "written in stars" (destiny) so we cant change it...

But, for me, its amazing how they took one thing built by people, without soul, without minde, without emotion, so cold, and they transformed it in ours best friend, someone who should take care of us, someone so close, it feels like that satellite is my best friend...
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Tboy - nice dissertation. nice dissection of my post. You completly missed my point. If you read again, I stated several times that Bon Jovi wrote smart lyrics as I consider These Days to be an excellent album especially from a lyrical point of view. What I find ridiculous is the use of pompous philosophical terms to describe some NOT MORE THAN really good rock song lyrics. As Alphavictim put it, it is "overdoing".

Regarding your comments regarding literature, bringing up Ionesco in a conversation about Bon Jovi is pretty much out of place, just like discussing terms like existentialism. Bon Jovi has nothing to do with that. Oh, and if I learnt something from reading literary critique is never believe what an author says about his book, or his creation. Read Henry James - "The Painting in the Carpet" (I guess...I read it in Romanian). Your comments about Kafka are most probably taken from his journal. If I recall corectly, he stopped all his other activities and focused EXCLUSIVELY on writing. That doesn't sound to me as if he never wanted to publish anything.
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there are so many, i could chose favourite lyrics from every album! but personal favourites of mine would be...(and this bit inparticular** **)

Now your pictures that you left behind
Are just memories of a different life
Some that made us laugh, some that made us cry
One that made you have to say goodbye
What I'd give to run my fingers through your hair
To touch your lips, to hold you near
When you say your prayers try to understand
I've made mistakes, I'm just a man

**When he holds you close, when he pulls you near
When he says the words you've been needing to hear
I'll wish I was him 'cause those words are mine
To say to you till the end of time

Yeah, I will love you baby - Always
And I'll be there forever and a day - Always**
GOD i hate those lyrics,

my fave lyrics are from In These Arms - beautiful - cant believe nobody has mentioned it yet - just such a simple way of expressing such a powerful emotion - love it!!
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Tboy - nice dissertation. nice dissection of my post. You completly missed my point. If you read again, I stated several times that Bon Jovi wrote smart lyrics as I consider These Days to be an excellent album especially from a lyrical point of view. What I find ridiculous is the use of pompous philosophical terms to describe some NOT MORE THAN really good rock song lyrics. As Alphavictim put it, it is "overdoing".

Regarding your comments regarding literature, bringing up Ionesco in a conversation about Bon Jovi is pretty much out of place, just like discussing terms like existentialism. Bon Jovi has nothing to do with that. Oh, and if I learnt something from reading literary critique is never believe what an author says about his book, or his creation. Read Henry James - "The Painting in the Carpet" (I guess...I read it in Romanian). Your comments about Kafka are most probably taken from his journal. If I recall corectly, he stopped all his other activities and focused EXCLUSIVELY on writing. That doesn't sound to me as if he never wanted to publish anything.
Yes, but there is absolutely no point why should I not use same phrase for Kafka and Bon Jovi... Because for me, they are both ARTISTS and they make ART... If it isnt so I would not listen to theme... I know they have absoultely lyrics with no meaning, just fun, but they have lyrics that are just ART...

As I bringed Kafka, etc... to this conversation, no, i didnt, you took theme and said that they are to deep and that they dont stand in same league with BJ, asuming they are actaully deep... I just said that YOU allso are speculating about that, because no one know what were they thinking...

And, Kafka died very young from cancer, he knew he is going to die and told his best friend to burn what he was writing while he was working his boring job, every day the same...
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But, for me, its amazing how they took one thing built by people, without soul, without minde, without emotion, so cold, and they transformed it in ours best friend, someone who should take care of us, someone so close, it feels like that satellite is my best friend...

I love that song. What you wrote there is really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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