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Old 04-09-2018, 09:19 PM
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No and No.

I don't think enough time has passed to heal all the wounds personally whatever they were. I don't think they would've broken up if there weren't serious personal issues between them. Band members who are that successful together just don't break up unless there is a good reason. And once they break up, it's usually ugly. It's just a bit different in Bon Jovi, because they were always so good at not airing their dirty laundry in public. Richie's substance abuse can't be the main reason as Jon always stood by his side during his earlier battles.

And if Richie ever comes back, I'm sure Phil will bounce. He's probably too busy and too expensive for a secondary role like this and, unlike Nils, he's just not a fan of Bon Jovi, musically, that's always been pretty obvious.

It's ironic, because I actually think that Shanks would be a really good fit next to Richie, because Richie would be the guitar hero we all know and love, would sing all he backing vocals you need and the only thing missing would be a guy who plays the rhythm parts properly without ****ing up and needing the spotlight. Phil, in that spot would be underutilized.
You know what? We will never know the underlying reasons but it was probably a whole bunch of things that came together. I think Richie's substance abuse might have been a major influence. Sure Jon was by his side but still it is hard to bear and because of Richie's unstable behaviour I am sure the band wasn't able to count on him for the full 100%. His playing got sloppy, his singing got worse so all in all, it might have been that Jon gave Richie an ultimatum to sober up, get fit, get back his focus or to step away from it.

On Richie's side, he might have felt serious pressure in combination with some sort of a burnout. Then something like his daughter becoming 18 and maybe asking for more time with her dad might have pushed him over the edge to step back and deciding for himself to focus on what makes him really happy.

His public behaviour, musical choices and performances are weird to me, but if he feels more happy than with the band, his choice was the right one.

On Jon's side - he probably hadn't wished for this breakup to come, but on the other hand I am convinced that Jon really wants to stay in the A league of music and would not want his band to become 2nd class band due to having a guitar player who's not up to par.

Quality wise, the band is now stronger with Shanks and X.
Jon himself also knows that he can't deliver himself all he once was capabel of so reinforcing the band was surely a move that was thought through.

For us, sure their sound became more generic but from a pure quality point of view Shanks and surely X are solid musicians
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:40 PM
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They will hug. They will cry. They will go their separate ways.

Exactly this.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:41 PM
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I hope it doesn't become like 2014 - 17 (Jon) due to that.
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:43 PM
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I hope it doesn't become like 2014 - 17 (Jon) due to that.
What do you mean?
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:59 PM
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stage presence, etc whatever.
I bet it won't
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:01 PM
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stage presence, etc whatever.
I bet it won't
I don't think it won't happen, Jon's stage presence is back for good I think.
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:15 PM
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I’m pretty sure Jon hates the fact they need to reunite. I have no doubt he loves Richie deep down but the guy is a mess and his erratic behaviour will only serve as proof to Jon he’s now better off without. Sad but true.
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:20 PM
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I hope Jon realizes how Richie behaves like and is like.
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:29 PM
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I hope Jon realizes how Richie behaves like and is like.
The thing is, Richie didn't use to behave and act like this...
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:38 PM
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The thing is, Richie didn't use to behave and act like this...
Believe me or not, I've been said this is exactly how Richie's always been! haha Some folks can be delusional... The man is a mess and no longer able to hide it. Ori seems to accept everything without a single protest. Well, none of his gfs actually minded stuff and to me, only Jon was capable of taming Rich and bringing the best out of him. Years ago I used to believe Richie needed freedom bc Jon was clipping his wings so to say, but now I'm more than sure that too much freedom can be as bad as too little of it.
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