Hall of Fame time again

Proof that quality doesn't necessarily relate to quantity.

I think it's too soon to claim that, because a) we don't know how recent the THINFS figure is; b) it's too soon to tell, because streaming is now included sales figures, which is not instant, but accumulates over time. c) I remember THINFS actually having stronger first week sales than WAN (despite the single being even less successful), which would make it even more bizarre. I'd say a year from now will be a good measure (if we have an updated data) to really make a conclusion once the album is stale.

On a second note, the 2000s are brutal overall, there is a 50% downward trend with each release. Makes you realize how sneakily successful Lost Highway was.

It's missing the Greatest Hits from 2010. It sold around 4~5 million, if my memory is not wrong.

Here's a side question. Let's say Hugh replaced Alec and was a full member right out of the gate. Do you guys think Hugh would be inducted at that point? I don't know if the Hall of Fame measures success around the world or strictly America but one would think the reason they're being inducted is 84-93. YES These Days was successful in other parts of the world but I don't think Hugh was at the forefront for a lot of the Big big big big US Success barring It's my Life and Who Says.

Debate me if you want haha.

Up to to These Days, the numbers are quite accurate, onwards it´s a little inflated

Crush sold around 8 million
Bounce 4 million
HAND 5 million
LH 4 million

From them on, i lost the interest because albuns did not sell anymore. But the Greatest Hits from 2010 was the biggest one. It was 3x Platinum in UK (900.000 copies), 1x Platinum in USA (1 million) and several other countries, as well as gold in Brazil where i live (20.000 copies). Probably around 5 million all around the world.

Yes, he'd be inducted if he was an official member of the classic period.

But if people with less contributions got inducted (Trujillo w/Metallica, Klinghoffer w/RHCP), Hugh deserves to be there.

I agree with that. I think people blaming Jon for not making him an official member and that's why he wasn't included....this feels like a Rock Hall omission less so then the band.

I wasn’t clear when I said, “being called on it.” I meant being accused of tooting his own horn, sounding arrogant. You know how now there is the common punchline on this board about him saying they played over 50 countries on tours that they did not? There wasn’t that level of animosity toward number dropping 17 years ago.

I never doubted his numbers.

Although I do wonder now why he keeps say 150 million albums and the press keeps printing 130 million. He’s the one getting royalty checks. Why the mismatch?

If Jon had made Hugh an official member 20 years ago, all the long time fans at that point would have accused him of having no loyalty, being a hypocrite. Hindsight is 20/20.

Should he be inducted? Absolutely. Was what was done at the time done for the right reasons? Absolutely. There was no Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to consider when Alec was replaced.

But Trujillio and Klinghoffer WERE presented to the world as official members of their bands from day one. If Jon never felt that Hugh's "contributions" merited full membership, there's not much the Hall can do.

Compare that to what people can say now -- that Jon never "inducted" Hugh because he's either a cheapskate or a egotistical CEO. And with Shanks on board, the hypocrisy argument has merit, too.

Most decisions are between good and bad, but some are between bad and worse. Always choose the lesser of two evils, because choosing worse ALWAYS makes you LOOK worse.