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thesedays2003 · #31 04-28-2004, 10:34 AM

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Jon also says that TLFR is Richies album, COME OFF IT Since TD it's been Jon all the way, nowadays he doesn't even let Richie sing the backup vocals on Something to Believe in!How pathetic can you get

Can you tell me who your inside source is in regards to all of this information?? I am just curious to know.

So you are saying that Richie has no balls and lets Jon boss him around? You must think a lot about Richie. I didn't realize he was Jon's bitc*. Interesting concept.

Oh, come on Mouse. You know if someone thinks it sucks, it's Jon's fault. If someone thinks it's great, then Richie did it. But, then Jon doesn't give Richie enouch credit. So when he does give Richie credit (as he's gone out of his way to do since 2000), it's really to cover his own ass for writing "crap." Don't you know how these things work?

It's another one of those Bon Jovi conspiracies.

Becky

1.Listen to TD, Crush, Bounce and TLFR
2.Look at who wrote and produced (or arranged) the songs
3.On what album does Richie do more?(background vocals, guitar riffs,lines and solos, quality of the songs...)
As for your sarcasity about "credit" for Richie, why abother being sarcastic, it's damn right true. Look at LOAP on the TLFR dvd, why the hell does Jon sing almost all of it? I thought it was supposed to be a duet. and why is it that Richie can only do solos alive and not on disc. I suppose he's bored of playing the guitar yeah? or has he arun out of ideas? I doubt it

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Becky · #32 04-28-2004, 04:16 PM

Oh yes, the poor abused Richie syndrome.

Let's see. He cowrote the songs and he coproduced the CDs. If he wanted to "shred" he would do it. He's never been one to play these extensive solos on the studio CDs. The two songs where he's done the longest guitar solos are songs Jon wrote alone (Dry County and Right Side of Wrong). So Jon's songwriting is not limiting Richie's ability to play guitar.

So it makes no sense for you to operate under this assumption that Richie has limited input. Unless they disect the songwriting process for us, we don't know who wrote what line or made what suggestion.

Just use your common sense and you might get over this notion that Richie is being held back. Better yet, why don't you look up some interviews and find what they've had to say about their creative process. You'll find that Richie is a valuable asset to the band and that he and Jon are a creative team moreso now than they were in the 90's in a way they had not been since the 80's.

Becky

PS: And what are you talking about with LOAP on TLFR? It is a duet. It's a duet between Jon and Olivia D'abo. She wasn't at the Borgata and the image they were creating with the TLFR CD was that of a conversation between lovers. So, why would Richie sing Olivia's part on the DVD? Wrong gender for the part.

thesedays2003 · #33 04-30-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky

Oh yes, the poor abused Richie syndrome.

Let's see. He cowrote the songs and he coproduced the CDs. If he wanted to "shred" he would do it. He's never been one to play these extensive solos on the studio CDs. The two songs where he's done the longest guitar solos are songs Jon wrote alone (Dry County and Right Side of Wrong). So Jon's songwriting is not limiting Richie's ability to play guitar.

So it makes no sense for you to operate under this assumption that Richie has limited input. Unless they disect the songwriting process for us, we don't know who wrote what line or made what suggestion.

Just use your common sense and you might get over this notion that Richie is being held back. Better yet, why don't you look up some interviews and find what they've had to say about their creative process. You'll find that Richie is a valuable asset to the band and that he and Jon are a creative team moreso now than they were in the 90's in a way they had not been since the 80's.

Becky

PS: And what are you talking about with LOAP on TLFR? It is a duet. It's a duet between Jon and Olivia D'abo. She wasn't at the Borgata and the image they were creating with the TLFR CD was that of a conversation between lovers. So, why would Richie sing Olivia's part on the DVD? Wrong gender for the part.

I get your point but I just wonder why it is that on the studio albums since TD Richie can hardly be heard. And you're wrong about the solos. On all albums before Crush,EVERY song a a good sized solo in it, and I'm not taking any credit away from Jon as a writer. Most of the songs from KTF are his and are fantastic, both his solo albums are fantastic especially Destination but I just wonder why his presence is no longer predominant, that's all

thesedays2003 · #34 04-30-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky

Oh yes, the poor abused Richie syndrome.

Let's see. He cowrote the songs and he coproduced the CDs. If he wanted to "shred" he would do it. He's never been one to play these extensive solos on the studio CDs. The two songs where he's done the longest guitar solos are songs Jon wrote alone (Dry County and Right Side of Wrong). So Jon's songwriting is not limiting Richie's ability to play guitar.

So it makes no sense for you to operate under this assumption that Richie has limited input. Unless they disect the songwriting process for us, we don't know who wrote what line or made what suggestion.

Just use your common sense and you might get over this notion that Richie is being held back. Better yet, why don't you look up some interviews and find what they've had to say about their creative process. You'll find that Richie is a valuable asset to the band and that he and Jon are a creative team moreso now than they were in the 90's in a way they had not been since the 80's.

Becky

PS: And what are you talking about with LOAP on TLFR? It is a duet. It's a duet between Jon and Olivia D'abo. She wasn't at the Borgata and the image they were creating with the TLFR CD was that of a conversation between lovers. So, why would Richie sing Olivia's part on the DVD? Wrong gender for the part.

I get your point but I just wonder why it is that on the studio albums since TD Richie can hardly be heard. And you're wrong about the solos. On all albums before Crush,EVERY song a a good sized solo in it, and I'm not taking any credit away from Jon as a writer. Most of the songs from KTF are his and are fantastic, both his solo albums are fantastic especially Destination but I just wonder why his presence is no longer predominant, that's all

Becky · #35 04-30-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thesedays2003

I get your point but I just wonder why it is that on the studio albums since TD Richie can hardly be heard. And you're wrong about the solos. On all albums before Crush,EVERY song a a good sized solo in it, and I'm not taking any credit away from Jon as a writer. Most of the songs from KTF are his and are fantastic, both his solo albums are fantastic especially Destination but I just wonder why his presence is no longer predominant, that's all

I don't find much of a difference. You can still hear Richie singing backup. The only major difference with These Days is that he actually sang a couple of lines of SFTP and but he has some dominate backing lines on Everyday and All About Loving You (if I remember correctly, I typically skip that one). Do you assume there's more Richie on TD than there actually is? Some people think the "yeah yeah yeah's" on Lie to Me are Richie but they're Jon in the studio and Dave live. IMO Bon Jovi have never had the kind of overpowering guitar of some of their peers. But that goes back to matter of opinion. It's one reason I always liked Bon Jovi more than others. They didn't let their songs get bogged down with overblown guitar. Richie, as a cowriter and coproducer has the power to influence the sound, length, and content of the songs. When Pat Leonard threw new instruments at him for TLFR, he picked them up and figured them out. If anything, I think TLFR is the most Richie-prominent CD in the Bon Jovi collection.

Becky

thesedays2003 · #36 04-30-2004, 08:53 PM

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I get your point but I just wonder why it is that on the studio albums since TD Richie can hardly be heard. And you're wrong about the solos. On all albums before Crush,EVERY song a a good sized solo in it, and I'm not taking any credit away from Jon as a writer. Most of the songs from KTF are his and are fantastic, both his solo albums are fantastic especially Destination but I just wonder why his presence is no longer predominant, that's all

I don't find much of a difference. You can still hear Richie singing backup. The only major difference with These Days is that he actually sang a couple of lines of SFTP and but he has some dominate backing lines on Everyday and All About Loving You (if I remember correctly, I typically skip that one). Do you assume there's more Richie on TD than there actually is? Some people think the "yeah yeah yeah's" on Lie to Me are Richie but they're Jon in the studio and Dave live. IMO Bon Jovi have never had the kind of overpowering guitar of some of their peers. But that goes back to matter of opinion. It's one reason I always liked Bon Jovi more than others. They didn't let their songs get bogged down with overblown guitar. Richie, as a cowriter and coproducer has the power to influence the sound, length, and content of the songs. When Pat Leonard threw new instruments at him for TLFR, he picked them up and figured them out. If anything, I think TLFR is the most Richie-prominent CD in the Bon Jovi collection.

Becky

TLFR has Richie all over it because he plays the guitar and the guitar is needed to make music, but what he plays is simple and unoriginal. Bring back the solos I say! Umm, me and you have different opinions, let's leave it at that

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