Aloha !
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Originally Posted by RockGod
No, that's what they sound like once they've reintroduced reverb, allbeit artificially.
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Not true, I've got direct soundboard feeds from that band as well.
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Of course they've got audience mics, but an original soundboard recording won't have them in the mix because there's no point feeding a screaming crowd their own screaming through the PA! An original Bon Jovi soundboard recording won't have audience mics mixed in for this reason, unless it's a monitor mix for Jon or the band, in which case they have they are likely to have the audience mics mixed into their in-ear monitors so they can hear the audience.
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Still, it doesn't make up for why this band sounds so different on an audience recording compared to the soundboard mix, while other bands don't.
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Because you are comparing mixes that weren't intended to be heard anywhere else than through huge PA systems. They aren't "final mixes". I'm not talking about whether you can hear dave, or tico or whoever better in an audience recording compared to a soundboard recording because that's subject to the mix. I'm talking about the detail being clearer in a soundboard recording because the sound goes from Jon's mouth (for example), into a mic, through a cable, into processors and then directly to the mixing desk where it is attached to the recorder. It doesn't go through Jon's mic, into the mixing desk, out through the PA speakers, over the audience, then into a tiny mic from a portable recorder. That's why it's better to judge vocal ability through a soundboard recording, not from a very distant-sourced audience recording.
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All very nice, but still, you have more detail in an audience recording than on a soundboard recording. Your theories are correct, and it's the way it's supposed to work, and it's exactly the reason I don't understand why it's not the case with a Bon Jovi soundboard. It's just a completely different band when you listen to the final mixes Bon Jovi sound engineers provide, than the actual sound you get at a gig.
A live recording should be showing what a band sounds like, and a final mix shouldn't be different than for what you hear at a show. That's the purpose of a final mix, to get that glimpse of the actual show. And you're talking about getting details in the final mix, which just aren't there when it comes to Bon Jovi. In the end, Jon was sharp as a knife at a lot of times during the show in Amsterdam, but he was nowhere as sharp on the bootleg which contained that final mix. And there's no way it depended on the venue, the screaming people and all that stuff, because I'm not one of those people who get hyped up at a gig and think it sounds all so amazing, but to be honest, Jon simply sounded amazing, a lot of times. And he never did at the webcast, with the final mix, but I bet he will on the audience recording, if it ever shows up.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
09-26-2005, 01:10 AM
