has jon sold out doing idol

But but but...we starving artist can be cool too!!!!

think the entire point of what i was trying to say was missed ages ago. what i was trying to say was that these kind of shows are killing music in general, the goofs who appear will only ever end up singing cover versions of what they are told to sing with no or very little credit given to the orignal artist. sure all these 'stars' made money in the first year but beyond that what, nothing. these kind of shows are not interested in finding the next Led Zepplin or Iron Maiden. they're there purely to make money mainly for themselves, if i remember right wasnt Bruce Dickinson very vocal in this matter to Sharon Osbourne not that long ago.

oh and don't even get me started on Myleen Klass(ical music my arse)

The Bruce Dickinson / Sharon Osbourne thing had nothing to do with Idol

And it's not claiming to find the next Led Zeppelin or Iron Maiden ... the original version is called Pop Idol, I think that tells you all you need to know.

It's also quite a generalisation to say that they only ever go on to sing cover songs. Disregarding whether or not you like their music, a lot of them have gone on to at least co-write their own songs

all i knw is .. tht i used to be the only jovi fan in saudi and after bon jovi appeared on idol .. my frnds took some old songs frm the huge bon jovi collection i had in my laptop .. so it realy worked.. new fans .. betta promotion for the new album .. wat else u need in this world han .. if all these things come up with a quality of work and entertainment ..

it's the music business not the music charity sweetheart. you think zeppelin would have got a sniff of a record contract if no one thought they could make money off of them? don't be thick.

shows like idol are just alot less shameless about the exploitation and in many ways, that's not as bad as making out that "it's all about the music" when really you're just as much a cog in the corporate machine as will young.

you think led zep or iron maiden didn't play the game?

I agree with your point that Jovi sold out long ago but wouldn't really use Moscow as a reference. It was a historic show and was therefore newsworthy so that's why they were on TV. It was also done to keep their manager out of jail so I'd call it sticking by their friend rather than selling out. They would later sack him of course but not before saving his ass.

You say this was a good business move, surely that's an admission that music principles have gone out of the window and they are now corporate cocksuckers.

You also say that we ought to be glad that they market themselves or they wouldn't be selling out Arenas in a minute. Why should I be glad about that? The ticket revenue doesn't go in my bank account! I couldn't give a rats ass if they are playing Wembley Stadium or Brixton Academy, if they sell 10 million albums or 100,000 albums. I'm a music fan and want to hear decent music written from the heart not songs that sound like they written by a comittee of Mercury board members and crafted to appeal to some radio demographic. Some may suggest that if Bon Jovi weren't selling out Stadiums anymore they would pack it in but if that were the case it would just further illustrate that the music means nothing to them and they are purely fame junkies.

On every album up to and including These Days Bon Jovi matured and grew as artists and gained a little credibility. Since then the word artist no longer applies, they are just business men out to sell as many records as possible.

Oh and by the way when I say "they" I actually mean Jon (The self-titled quarterback of Bon Jovi).

And just what romanticized, pie in the sky "musical pricipals " are you speaking of???

I've been a BJ fan for alot of years this band has always wanted their music heard by as many people as possible, every record , everyalbum. They have always pretty much done whatever was needed at the time to get the music out there, no matter what decade it was in.

As for the music, please explain to me how you come around to it not being the music from Jon and Richies hearts???? Could it just be that you don't like where their hearts have taken them???? Jon is a busy guy, he has plenty on his plate to keep him occuppied without making records and writing songs, so unless doing both of those things is in his heart, why bother???

Personally, I think the AI thing was a smart move, and apparently Jon got the added bonus of enjoying himself, according to what he said afterward. Having a bunch of songs in the top ten on Itunes can't be a bad thing, and you know what?? If you ask any of those artists whom you believe have stuck to their artistic principals if they would trade places with BJ , the answer would be HELL YEAH!!!

It's all well and good to sit on the couch and preach "only the music matters, musical principals are all important" but the reality is that making music is a business and every successful band artist working has someone Making really good business decisions . The best example I can think of is Mick Jagger and the Stones. That band hasn't had a legitimate hit song in over 25 years and yet because of Jaggers brilliance at creating a brand and his ability to see the benefits of great marketing and using them ie "the worlds greatest rock band" and "the tongue" that band without any new music can still go out on a tour and sell out stadiums all over the world. This is the band that originated bad boy decadent rock, they are the bar set for all rock bands, and damn if they aren't sell outs to marketing and branding. The world will never be the same (sarcasm intended)