Here are some questions for you...open discussion.

I am looking for some VALID opinions here, out of sheer curiosity.


We already had the open discussion about what we all expect from Jon. Of course the topic went off into yet ANOTHER b*tch session between me and certain people and I would like to see this topic kept nice. Which should be an open invitation for it to go South real quickly....LOL In all seriousness, I wanna see this become an INTELLIGENT discussion.

So here we go:

What was it about this BAND that orginally drew you to the music?

For me, it was the Guitar riffs, and Jon's voice. The notes that man could hit were amazing to me. The guitar, how raw it was, The lyrics were decent for back then too. For a teeneager at the time anyways. I still love the earlier 2 albums and listen to them regularly. It's fun to hear the contrast between the music then and now.


What is it that Keeps you a fan now?

For me.......it's the shows. I am sorry, I know some of you dislike it, and that's fine your entitled to your opinion. But for me, I enjoy going to see them live. Yea ok Jon isn't ALWAYS spot on, but heck no one is perfect. I've seen Richie make mistakes on stage too. & Jon catch him, laugh it off and walk away and continue on. I like seeing how well they still get along. After 20 years, that is a feat in itself. I like the excitment of going to a show, getting ready, making plans with my friends to tailgate, or meet up for dinner before. I have made so many friends thanks to this band, and that I cherish. There is nothing more I enjoy then Hanging out with my kids. I am looking forward to taking my 9 year old to go see them when they hit the road again. He enjoys the band as well and I can't wait to see the look on his face when the band hits the stage. He loves Richie and wants to learn to play just like him.

I love the build up to a new CD, the excitment that you wait and wait to hear the music, and the wait till tour dates are released. Yea it's nerve racking, but hell, that's rock and roll! Iam just hoping for as little change up on the setlist. I have been to enough shows now that I could recite the whole gig. Please I beg of you CHANGE THE SETLIST!!!!!!!!

what songs would you like to see disappear from the setlist?

I for one am really tired of bad name. But I am sure that won't go as it was a major hit for them. I just roll my eyes and get over it, but truly, I fast forward that song now as it just drives me nuts. I have heard it SO many times, that I am truly sick to death of it. the Bad X/ shout combo has to go too.

The banter too, can we get rid of the " say Hi MOMMA" and the "are you with me tonight" ...."how we doing so far ok?" Thing? Time for Jon too come up with somemore chit chat......these are bad and I can call it pretty much when it will appear in the set. I am sure you all agree on that as well to some degree.

Discuss.

What was it about this BAND that orginally drew you to the music?

Richie, JBJ, Tico... many reasons... basically the lyrics.


What is it that Keeps you a fan now?

The hope of seeing a BJ concert. And some songs that still make me happy(It's My Life, Just Older, OWN, Bounce...)

what songs would you like to see disappear from the setlist?

Bad medicine absolutely, i'm tired of bad name and Prayer, but i can't imagine a BJ concert without these songs... Lay your hands on me could be changed for Raise Your Hands, Wanted Dead Or Alive for Blaze Of Glory, Bed Of Roses for Always(or This AIn't A Love Song!).

Well... if you asking me "what songs would you like to see from the set list" i answear:
These Days, This Ain't A Love Song, SOmething For The Pain, Hey God, I Believe, Let It Rock, Wild In The Streets, Roulette(yeah, impossible!).

I came across BJ when "runaway" single came out. Heard it from the radio couple of times, and from the first time it sounded fresh. I was into bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zep & Iron Maiden at that time, and Bon Jovi offered whole different approach: slightly more melodic yet guitars with lotsa "edge" spiced with catchy choruses. Still, I didn't see them as mainstream or pop back them, just something fresh. After buying the album, I was even more convinced. 2nd album got me even more hooked on them. They managed to put out slightly heavier album, still with catch stuff. Sure, looking back both 2 albums are bit naive, especially lyrically, but the magic is still there. Of all the BJ albums I still most often choose to play either of them 2 first ones.

Then came SWW. A disappointment. Rough edges were smoothened, getting closer to mainstream. Getting closer to pop. Ok so they experienced with new approach......wrong. NJ, more of the same. I kinda lost interest. Everything that 2 first albums promised were wiped out with these 2 releases. There was nothing that would separate them from other bands of same genre. They got as boring as the genre itself. Plus at time there were new bands coming that did offer somewhat new approch. It was obvious that BJ were not going to evolve into ROCK band of a lifetime, they sold their souls to pop & mainstream.

Out of the blue came KTF. Back to rocking track. So I was hooked again. Still there were those lame ballads that just yell out "radioplay".....besides than that, it is a solid rock album. I went like "Wow these guys are a rock band after all!"...Wrong. TD. A sorry excuse for a rock album. It doesn't even sound like Jovi. They tried to be a serious band. Failed. It's nothing but mediocre pop song after another. Few rock songs among the crap didn't save it for me. It was obvious that they attempted to gather bigger audience going with more mature approch. They just didn't realize that noone expects them to be serious, they should be larger-than-life-stadium rock damnit. Ok I felt I was done with them.

Cruch and bouce. POP. Nothing more to them, just pop. Catchy choruses are still there. but no rock. Ok, this time they dont even try to appear as rock band, for which I do give them credit. If they choose to be pop its all fine with me. After hearing both albums couple of times, I did find myself enjoying them, especially crush. I didnt look at it as rock album, as pop record its way over average. In fact, comparing it to several outher pop acts out there, BJ seemed to find their spot & actually be better than the competition. Nice comeback.

TLFR. OH MY F**KING GOD!....honestly I can say it's one of the worst albums I have ever heard. Not a single positive thing to say about it. Compared with recent predictable tours, I'm back at the state of being done with them. Next album? Well, it's better be kick-a**-rock album (which I doubt).....

As u see, I've been "in and out of jovi" time and time again. Well, I don't like (or dislike) them because of the name, only cos of what they produce. At this time, I have a strong feeling about them being done. But on the other hand, I thought the same when TD came out......

What I'd truly enjoy....would be "real" live album. Preferably from 80s. when they still had lotsa energy on stage. Yeah there are thousands of bootlegs out there, but haven't come across properly produced live recording yet.

WHAT I'D WANT TO SEE OUT OF THE SET?

Most of them old standards. Especially Bad Name, Bad med & Prayer. Those are worn out, plus the band can't even do them properly any more, their performance of them old standards has been tired and lacking passion for years. Or if not gone, they should pull a suprice out of their a**es every night. C'mon, they got hundreds of songs to choose from, it can't be too hard to rehearse like 30 or 40 for a tour....changes in the set would make them fresh again. It's been like same songs in same order, replacing few in between every tour, but running order stays quite the same. It's like, if u seen them on tour 2000, dont bother going again, they've not changed a bit.

Oh and most of all, I wouldn't want to hear "shout" ever again.

Starting that way, you are only asking for crap. You and your opinion isnt any better than that of more critical people. If people dislike things about band/jon/whatever they should be and are free to express it. If that's what you can't take....take a walk into backstage you'll be happier there.
Intelligent? not with all of them I-Love-jon-and-his-butt kinda people around. There are more than one valid opinions, and not all valid ones are positive. And, for sure there isn't a single person whos in position to define "valid". Sure, we can (and will) argue it out as usual. Or, more truthfully opinions will argue.

But.....

Everyone with some common sense should know the difference between for example butt & vocal chords, and what each contribute to act of performing music. Still there are people who prefer one over another, and I must add, musically the wrong part....yet shouting out loud how much they love the music and music only. From my point of view, the "music" that comes out of the part they prefer is something I wouldn't enjoy. Doh!
This is one of the issues that cause this so called b*tching u whine about. Basically, we'd all need to separate facts from opinions more often, and if possible, back opinions/accusations up with facts as often as possible.


NO offence intended. Except to our blind jonlovers.

Hmmmm... sometimes i see my BJ bootlegs (2000 - 2003) and after (1992 - 1996) and JBJ seems a another person... performance in stage, physically and singing...


nowadays i hate JBJ!!!!

1) the music

2) the music and the LIVE shows ... I need a touring band more than a band making records I admit it i'd rather see them touring with no new materials than having new materials and no tour anymore sorry I cannot go without the magic of the band live ...

3)I don't care that much about the setlist .. I care MORE about the venue and about the audience... though 2 rare songs at each new show would be a REALLY COOL idea for the long time fans and for the newbies as well .. yes yes yes BJ did something else beside the classics !!!

Aloha !

Everytime I posted my opinion about anything regarding Bon Jovi, and mostly Jon's behaviour it ended up in a b*tch session because people like you can not deal with the fact that my thoughts about your hero aren't the same as yours. And you are the one who starts bitching, it's not me who starts the "don't listen to him, he does this for fun" kinda things.

And why are you looking for valid opinions? Is it you who decides what's a valid opinion and what isn't? Because you disagree with me, my opinion is less valid because it's based upon facts you rather not hear because they don't fit your thought of Jon?

Also, since you are the one who starts this, it's also you who fills my topics with nasty things and makes the discussions less intelligent. Things like "don't listen to him blabla" aren't really replies that are about the topic itself, now are they? And because it's your opinion, we should keep it neat and respectful? How odd.

What actually do you want to discuss? The opinion from someone? Like "I want to discuss why you became a fan of Bon Jovi because of These Days" It's not going to work, there's nothing to discuss in this topic. :s

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally, it was that my two best friends teased me because I didn't know "Bad Name." When I heard it, I thought it was the coolest song ever. My parents wouldn't let me buy any cassettes at that time, but every time I had a new "favorite" song, it was a Bon Jovi song. I enjoyed Jon's voice and the catchy lyrics and the music. Listening to their songs made me happy.


They consistently produce music I enjoy. I don't love EVERY song on every CD, but I don't love every song on every CD by any other artist either. I enjoy that they don't keep rewriting the same songs. I like that not everything sounds the same. I LOVE Jon's voice and the variety of styles he can sing. I like many different kinds of music and get bored with acts that sound the same on everything. They write good lyrics and stories that I can personally relate to or, at least, empathize with. Their songs make me feel something. I love that there is a piano base in their songs. It gives them a more full sound than some of their peers had. I like that they do try new things and grow. Their CDs never bore me.


Bad Name. I HATE this song live. I remember the first time I heard a live version of this song was on the radio New Year's Eve 1988 and I thought then, "They're not very good live." It was the first "live" Bon Jovi I ever heard and it totally misrepresented how great they really are live. The song sounded terrible live in the 80's and it hasn't improved. It's one of the few that sounds better on the studio recording. I would not shed a tear if I didn't hear Sleep/Bad Medicine/Shout ever again, nor would I miss "wanTED." The novelty of Right Side of Wrong and Joey wore off and I'd like to see them replaced with something else that would give Dave a chance to shine. I would like to hear Jon singing I'll Be There For You since it's one of my favorite songs and if Richie is going to sing, I wish he'd sing One Light Burning. I'd also like to see them switch it up and have Tico and Dave sing too. I wouldn't miss I Got the Girl or Two Story Town if I didn't hear them again either.

Becky

No it is not me Sebastian who decides what is a valid opinion and what is not......Yes I disagree with you on MOST subjects, but I NEVER said your opinion is less valid. It's when you throw in the "'your a peice of crap because you come from backstage" that lessens your credibility with me. I may orginate from Backstage, but like it or not I am not going anywhere.


[color=Orange]Where do you get your FACTS from then? How is it a fact Sebastian, Because YOU say it is? That doesn't make it a fact, that makes it your opinion. When you accuse him of things he hasn't done, then I get irritated, if your going to accuse someone of something, have the FACTS to back it up and I will DISCUSS it with you on an intelligent level. That's all I ask.

That's your opinion, don't join the discussion then. :s

Stone......Trust me I was fully aware that ANYTHING I post here is asking for crap, no matter how I start the post off. I could start the post off by bashing JON and still not get Honest discussion from some.

Never said it was.

That's fine, voice your opinion , but base it on fact. Not on your own personal truth, that's all I have ever expected from people. If you don't like Jon or the music that's fine! But don't sit back and say " Jon is an ass because he force feeds us crap" It's always anyone's choice not to buy the music, or to return it if they don't like it. There is no need to feel force fed then right?


Why not? Because some Females find Jon or one of the guys attractive, does that make their opinions less valid? Yea they can say " Gees that album sucks and this is why" But if they dare say in another post that he looked real good in those pants he had on, they suddenly don't have a brain, is that it?



That's fine, I just wish it was done more respectfully, towards others here on this board that MAY find it offensive.

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And, for sure there isn't a single person whos in position to define "valid". Sure, we can (and will) argue it out as usual.

That's all I wanted, was people's true opinions and comments.

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But..... Everyone with some common sense should know the difference between for example butt & vocal chords, and what each contribute to act of performing music. Still there are people who prefer one over another, and I must add, musically the wrong part....yet shouting out loud how much they love the music and music only. From my point of view, the "music" that comes out of the part they prefer is something I wouldn't enjoy. Doh! This is one of the issues that cause this so called b*tching u whine about. Basically, we'd all need to separate facts from opinions more often, and if possible, back opinions/accusations up with facts as often as possible.

I totally agree, I wish that if people are going to have an opinion, they would seperate fact from opinion. I totally agree with you.