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Sure I would! It was Jon PLUS Richie that made Bon Jovi, after all. And if I can forgive Jon for trying to run out on us to be a pro football team owner, why shouldn't I forgive Richie for not showing up to work?

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Sure I would! It was Jon PLUS Richie that made Bon Jovi, after all. And if I can forgive Jon for trying to run out on us to be a pro football team owner, why shouldn't I forgive Richie for not showing up to work?

I don't want this to be yet another Jon Vs. Richie thing but "Trying to run out" and "actually running out" are different. Your argument just isn't the same. Trying to run out is entirely subjective.
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I don't want this to be yet another Jon Vs. Richie thing but "Trying to run out" and "actually running out" are different. Your argument just isn't the same. Trying to run out is entirely subjective.
But the only reason why Jon failed at running out was because he didn't have enough money. Owning pro sports franchises is for billionaires, not millionaires -- if anyone is to blame, it's whoever couldn't make that clear to him.
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But the only reason why Jon failed at running out was because he didn't have enough money. Owning pro sports franchises is for billionaires, not millionaires -- if anyone is to blame, it's whoever couldn't make that clear to him.
So you're mad at him because you think he almost left the band to own a team. You're saying being mad at someone because you think they would have stopped the band to own a team is on the same level as leaving a band completely mid tour? I sort of see what you're going for but Jon never bought the team. To say he would have left if he had the team is entirely an opinion and if he did it would have been between album/tours. It'd still make it a douche move but still doesn't put it in the "Well if I forgave Jon I can forgive Richie" because in this case you're forgiving Jon for what you think he did you wrong. The other side is forgiving someone who lost interest and left in a crappy way.
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But the desire to buy something really big does mean pushing yourself and others off limits, right?
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How are people still missing the point?

It's HOW RS left that is the bone of contention - NOT the fact he wanted to go solo.


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I don't know about anybody else but, for me, the answer to your question is simple. There is a reason that Richie walked out in the middle of a tour; and I still don't know what that reason is. Others may be convinced that they have enough information to go on, but I'm not so sure.

We've heard all kinds of reasons about why he may have wanted out or why he is possibly being kept out and why the situation exists now. But MY point, all along, has been that until I understand WHY he left the way he did, I can't know if HOW he did it matters or not. I can't say that his reason or reasons don't justify that move until I know what those reasons are.
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Man, how are people still missing the point here???

He didn't want to go solo!
He wanted to go YOLO!!
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I think it's sad that people have allowed "the last four [years]", or more specifically, the events of one night four years ago to somehow erase the commitment Richie showed for thirty years.

Granted, some of the anger towards him goes back even further, to the cancelled shows in 2012. I get that. I was caught up in those cancellations, too. So I understand the disappointment. I just can't understand still holding on to a grudge after all these years.

But maybe that's just me. As I've said before, I can't hold on to a grudge with Superglue. As far as I'm concerned, life's too short for that kind of nonsense; but to each his own.
It's not about erasing or ignoring the commitment he's showed. It's about downright hate or detest him for letting us and the band down. And I don't have to hold (on to) a grudge for that, I just don't like him anymore. Ok, I didn't really like him in the first place, but I didn't hate him either...
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But the desire to buy something really big does mean pushing yourself and others off limits, right?
No, it doesn't. Jon balanced music with acting; music with the Arena League team; music and philanthropy along with the Foundation and restaurants. He's always been business minded, savvy, and versatile. Other members of the band have credited his skills in understanding business for the band lasting as long and as successfully as it has. People in the industry have too (Eddie Trunk, Larry Flick).

To assume that Jon would discontinue music in favor of football is actually kind of ridiculous. He's already balanced the two on a smaller level already. And never forget, his first love is and always will be songwriting.
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