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Old 07-31-2013, 02:58 AM
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So this topic is for the 4 people who are intelligent enough to participate and everyone else shouldn't post in it unless it's directly related or else they will be chastised.... Great! this interesting topic should fizzle out within 24 hours. What a great way to motivate more people to post around here.
That is not at all what he said. This thread isn't just about those chord progressions, but rather how it relates to this band and how, since the success of IML, they have rehashed the same song over and over and over again.

I think NJ is the SWW 2.0. Bad Name vs BM, WDOA vs STYG, etc, but they never directly copied a song like they have been doing the last 13 years.

In all fairness, I haven't studied the music of any other band, with the exception of The Beatles, but I can't think of any other bands that have rewritten the same song 10 times. I find this topic interesting and being that it is Bon Jovi we're talking about, I see every reason it should be posted here.
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Understanding chord progressions isn't exactly an intelligence thing.

I wasn't aware that the major progression had also been overused lately. The IML-one is a given, but I guess the one in major didn't spawn any mega hits and thus stood out less.
No kidding. So if you don't know how to play or read music, you're stupid?

Christ, the ignorance.
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That is not at all what he said. This thread isn't just about those chord progressions, but rather how it relates to this band and how, since the success of IML, they have rehashed the same song over and over and over again.

I think NJ is the SWW 2.0. Bad Name vs BM, WDOA vs STYG, etc, but they never directly copied a song like they have been doing the last 13 years.

In all fairness, I haven't studied the music of any other band, with the exception of The Beatles, but I can't think of any other bands that have rewritten the same song 10 times. I find this topic interesting and being that it is Bon Jovi we're talking about, I see every reason it should be posted here.
Again, I can only relate this to my writing, but when your young, you have fresh ideas...things bounce in your brain creatively all the time. I used to write maybe 5, 10 things a day I was like the creative equivalent of the duracel bunny. Now I find I might write a few things a month, and some of those, their rehashes of what I did before. It's not me being lazy, it's almost like the fresh ideas won't come - I'm not saying its an age thing, but more a life thing. If nothing changes then you've nothing new to say. And that, along with Jon's recent political leanings and this ingrained belief that Bon Jovi have to be a positive force is probably why there's not been anything that sounds particularly fresh in a long time.

They also seem to be of the mindset now that that's just what Bon Jovi does - it's their style, and no-one else does anything quite like it.

But their by far not the only band to rehash songs. Every single AC/DC song for example sounds exactly the same to me, though if I was an AC/DC die hard I might know the difference.

I think maybe they got burned too - and so are maybe afraid of stepping out of that comfort zone - the backlash from This Left Feels Right probably still rings in Jon's brain today.
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So this topic is for the 4 people who are intelligent enough to participate and everyone else shouldn't post in it unless it's directly related or else they will be chastised.... Great! this interesting topic should fizzle out within 24 hours. What a great way to motivate more people to post around here.
Dude, don't bother. You can spot a message boards untouchable a mile away by the responses from the Mods. They could drop a virus on to the message board that shuts it down for a week, but the Mods would say nothing other than blaming the people that got pissed about it for not being grown up enough to stay out of it.
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I am getting bored with it too, but it seems to work for Hans Zimmer, and everyone swoons over his overproduced soaring mediocrity.
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At NO point did I say you'd be stupid if you didn't get what this thread was about, let me make that clear. Why I got attacked for telling people to cool it and talk like adults I have no idea. It that make me a "nazi" so be it.
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Just to clarify, I did nothing wrong. You guys are all bitching about Seb, right?
I thought that they were bitching about me and I have been out at a concert all evening.

Just for the record I am a piano player, not a guitar player but the music notation is the same. Anyone who knows music theory would recognise it. Certain chord progressions are way overused
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So anyway, about chord progression...
To me, the repetitive chord progressions aren't as big a problem as the repetitive content. Granted, I'm not near as accomplished a player as some on here, but I can play my way around a guitar for fun so I certainly hear that they're the same, but I can let it slide and if it's not a rehash of the same song thematically and lyrically it doesn't bother me much.
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So anyway, about chord progression...
To me, the repetitive chord progressions aren't as big a problem as the repetitive content. Granted, I'm not near as accomplished a player as some on here, but I can play my way around a guitar for fun so I certainly hear that they're the same, but I can let it slide if it's not a rehash of the same song thematically and lyrically it doesn't bother me much.
Basically this. Like, I'm not going to flip out if it turns out Undivided and It's My Life share the same progression. They're different enough to me, it's not the same cancer that spread from IML to Bounce to HAND to LH to WWBTF and so forth... It IS disheartening to see just how so many songs end up using the same basic starting points though. Or when essentially every other part of a song sounds the same as another song. But all this shows is that Bon Jovi is lazy. We all should know that at this point.
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What is the point of this topic anyway? Change the title to "Bon Jovi repeats chord progressions" and it's the same thing? This is no surprise to anyone. I happened to disagree that it is a problem and I explained what I feel is.
Otherwise I don't think it's fair to judge me on what I can and cannot state as my opinion to a topic.

Ok, the title was creative and gave all the guitar players hard-ons but I'm not a musician and I'm here to discuss this band. If you want to talk about guitar chords, then move to the Non - Bon Jovi section. I'm not here for a ****ing music lesson.
I don't know if you've noticed, but you frequently "get a hard-on" by lording your knowledge of the band over others. But surprise surprise, you don't like it when the same happens to you

There's a thread in NBJ about football / soccer. I'm not a big football fan. Which of these should I do: a) go into that thread and post "yeah, im not a football fan, lets change the conversation into something I can contribute to", or b) just not post in that thread?
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