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Old 07-28-2017, 11:35 AM
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It really depends on the producer. a Bob Rock or a Don Was is not going to come in a produce an album that sounds like Shanks era. If he keeps working with people like Dan Huff, then you are going too get that same generic sounds....
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But so you don't believe that people can influence Jon?

I think that even if Jon decides, what we hear recently is very much Shank's understanding of proper sound, which afterwards was accepted/adopted by Jon.
I think absolutely he can be influenced but with the state of his voice I just don't see him finding a new producer who will have to manipulate it to the point of excess. Plus with Shanks playing 90 percent of the guitar tracks, you're not just finding a new producer you're finding a new studio guitar player.

To me the ideal choice is a new producer and Phil playing full time, but I just think the band will sound like Jon wants or else he just doesn't put it out. He's too far into his career for someone to come in and start calling all the shots.
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...Plus with Shanks playing 90 percent of the guitar tracks, you're not just finding a new producer you're finding a new studio guitar player...
It's a shame that there isn't someone somewhere who could help fill both of those roles.

What would be even better is finding someone who could do that, plus eliminate the need for Phil-X (and Shanks and Everett) on the road, AND handle the co-writing, AND have the gumption to tell Jon that a song sounds like shit or that it's a sure-fire hit (assuming, of course, that Jon would be willing to listen).

Now that I think about it, I believe steel_horse may have mentioned someone who actually could do all that. Unfortunately, that would require both Jon and someone to get their heads out of their respective asses first. So it may be a while.
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1. Producer: either someone who comes from another genre. Look at how fresh the red hot chilli peppers sounded on their last album. After years of rick rubin (an A class producer) they switched to a new producer who really challenged them. An absolute winner. This might result in an album that will surprise. Probably critically acclaimed. Risk that some fans will not like it. Anyhow, the start of any album should b great songs. Without those not producere in the world can mask up the lack of quality .

Otherwise a producer who is really a rock dinosaur. One who ll say... drop the gimmicks, drop the samples, drop drumlines that are doubled over 80 times. In that case they will come out with long, organic songs that will sound warm, authentic.

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The last two posts might be the best one two truth punch I've ever seen here.
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The last two posts might be the best one two truth punch I've ever seen here.
Absolutely agreed! I just hope someone from the BJ camp reads this board and passes it on to Jon (chances are slim, I know...)
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1. Producer: either someone who comes from another genre. Look at how fresh the red hot chilli peppers sounded on their last album. After years of rick rubin (an A class producer) they switched to a new producer who really challenged them. An absolute winner. This might result in an album that will surprise. Probably critically acclaimed. Risk that some fans will not like it. Anyhow, the start of any album should b great songs. Without those not producere in the world can mask up the lack of quality .

Otherwise a producer who is really a rock dinosaur. One who ll say... drop the gimmicks, drop the samples, drop drumlines that are doubled over 80 times. In that case they will come out with long, organic songs that will sound warm, authentic.

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I would very much like the first option. Although I wasn't blown away by the new RHCP record, I get your point. And Danger Mouse is a total boss when it comes to production. Unfortunately "Jon" and "risk" don't really go in the same sentence these days. Which is especially ironic, since that would be Jon's only shot to make a record that would be... (drum roll please)...relevant.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Phil only played on four tracks because he wasn't in the band when the rest was recorded - and it's already been openly stated that should another album be on the cards he'd be playing on it as much as possible and he and Jon have spoken about writing together, so the talk of getting in a new guitarist to record and write is a bit redundant if we're happy with Phil's work so far...

As far as Shanks goes I'm in agreement though, when albums are, relative to their predecessors, tanking you don't stick to the formula.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Phil only played on four tracks because he wasn't in the band when the rest was recorded - and it's already been openly stated that should another album be on the cards he'd be playing on it as much as possible and he and Jon have spoken about writing together, so the talk of getting in a new guitarist to record and write is a bit redundant if we're happy with Phil's work so far...

As far as Shanks goes I'm in agreement though, when albums are, relative to their predecessors, tanking you don't stick to the formula.
Oh I'm aware what's been said but until it happens it's all wishful thinking. I'm not saying Phil is going to bolt and I'm not saying Shanks isn't going to give up the guitar player spot. We're at the point where another leg promoting a dead album seems questionable, another album seems a bit crazy to me right now.
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People have this belief that if they use a different producer, the music is going to sound drastically different but the truth is, it won't... The proof is in the live versions which don't sound much different... I think however, a new producer can bring in some new ideas and sounds... This is what they need...

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