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View Poll Results: is a HIT the ESSENTIAL goal for a CD
The most needed is a HUGE HIT to get new fans 3 7.32%
It's very important but not essential 10 24.39%
The most important is the passion and genuine touch 18 43.90%
Who cares for the charts !! 10 24.39%
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Old 02-18-2005, 07:21 PM
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A CD can be great quality music and sell only 2000 copies. Of course, selling well means that many people liked (a) song(s) well enough to buy the CD. Really, who's to say if music is good or bad--there's music you like and music you don't and no single person can determine what's "good" to anyone but themselves.

What selling well does for an act is enable them to tour. If the band is in demand, then venues will book them and the record company will help back the tour. As we've seen with Richie, if the CD doesn't sell, then he doesn't get to do a full fledged tour. There's the circle then--people who go to the shows are more likely to go out and buy the CDs.

So, it's not necessary for fans like us that a CD sell well because we'll get it anyway, but it's more likely to lead to more touring in more markets if it sells well.

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selling well means that there was a HUGE PROMOTIONAL WORK BESIDES
THE ALBUM.....
It's kinda true most of the time but not always .. i think the band did a HUGE promo for Bounce and it didn't sell well .. maybe I am wrong about the big promo for Bounce but i do think it was done quite huge in the USA especially but the sales didn't follow the massive promotion
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The most important is the passion and genuine touch
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In terms of a band touring, I think a reasonable hit single or two of a new album is important, and for a rock band these days, it's essential [IMHO]...and I feel that that also depends on what country you're in as well. Promoters are like every other business and loathe to shell out if the return isn't there. The time that BJ toured here in a big way was through the KTF/These Days era - and they had very successful singles on the charts through that time.
KTF, Crossroads and These Days all debuted at No. 1 on the album charts.
KTF: #11 Dec. '92 [3 weeks in the Top 40]
Bed of Roses: #9 May '93 [9 weeks in Top 40]
In These Arms: #10 Aug. '93 [11 weeks in Top 40]
I'll Sleep When I'm Dead: #24 Oct. '93 [9 weeks in Top 40]
Dry County: #36 April '94 [1 week in chart - maybe we'd been "Jovied" out by then...this one sort of crashed and burned]
Always: #2 Oct. '94 [spent 7 weeks at no. 2 and 23 weeks in the Top 40]
Someday I'll Be Saturday Night: #15 Mar. '95 [9 weeks in Top 40]
This Ain't A Love Song: #4 June '95 [11 weeks in Top 40]
Something For The Pain: #13 Oct. '95 [10 weeks in Top 40]
Lie To Me: #20 Dec. '95 [9 weeks in Top 40]
They continued that success later with the singles released from Crush and Bounce here, but for varying reasons, did not tour those albums here. For the band to embark on a nation wide tour in a country like Australia with their next album release, there needs to be probably one big hit single off it and 2 very radio friendly singles. Having said all that, it comes down to what the band want to do as well...a big single of a big album doesn't equate automatically to a tour here, there and everywhere.


As for the albums themselves...great lyrics/music don't need to have a no. 1 hit and million of albums sold to be a great album.

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In terms of a band touring, I think a reasonable hit single or two of a new album is important, and for a rock band these days, it's essential [IMHO]...and I feel that that also depends on what country you're in as well. Promoters are like every other business and loathe to shell out if the return isn't there. The time that BJ toured here in a big way was through the KTF/These Days era - and they had very successful singles on the charts through that time.
KTF, Crossroads and These Days all debuted at No. 1 on the album charts.
KTF: #11 Dec. '92 [3 weeks in the Top 40]
Bed of Roses: #9 May '93 [9 weeks in Top 40]
In These Arms: #10 Aug. '93 [11 weeks in Top 40]
I'll Sleep When I'm Dead: #24 Oct. '93 [9 weeks in Top 40]
Dry County: #36 April '94 [1 week in chart - maybe we'd been "Jovied" out by then...this one sort of crashed and burned]
Always: #2 Oct. '94 [spent 7 weeks at no. 2 and 23 weeks in the Top 40]
Someday I'll Be Saturday Night: #15 Mar. '95 [9 weeks in Top 40]
This Ain't A Love Song: #4 June '95 [11 weeks in Top 40]
Something For The Pain: #13 Oct. '95 [10 weeks in Top 40]
Lie To Me: #20 Dec. '95 [9 weeks in Top 40]
They continued that success later with the singles released from Crush and Bounce here, but for varying reasons, did not tour those albums here. For the band to embark on a nation wide tour in a country like Australia with their next album release, there needs to be probably one big hit single off it and 2 very radio friendly singles. Having said all that, it comes down to what the band want to do as well...a big single of a big album doesn't equate automatically to a tour here, there and everywhere.


As for the albums themselves...great lyrics/music don't need to have a no. 1 hit and million of albums sold to be a great album.

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Sharon you made here a very valid point in term of touring ...this is true when you live in Australia or in France a HIT is necessary for a tour ..but this is maybe not from the promoters only ... I am wondering also how deep is the involvement of the band itself ...


I think that Australia is a VERY SPECIAL CASE ... because you are so far away .. and so isoloated and all yopuir towns are so far away from each other it cost a huge amont of money to tour in australia so yes in the Asutralia case ABSOLUTELY a MEGA hit is essential to get to see the band ...they need to seel a huge amont of albums over there to don't lose money touring in Australia (because if the distance mainly )


Thanks Sharon for this new vision of the situation (a realistic vision)
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Bon Jovi haven't had a big hit in Denmark since "It's My Life" which made it to number 2 in the charts. Crush didn't sell very well here.
They haven't played here since 1995, so I guess a huge hit is very needed to get at least the danes out of their houses and down to the record shops!

For me personally the passion and genuine touch is most important...
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Sharon you made here a very valid point in term of touring ...this is true when you live in Australia or in France a HIT is necessary for a tour ..but this is maybe not from the promoters only ... I am wondering also how deep is the involvement of the band itself ...


I think that Australia is a VERY SPECIAL CASE ... because you are so far away .. and so isoloated and all yopuir towns are so far away from each other it cost a huge amont of money to tour in australia so yes in the Asutralia case ABSOLUTELY a MEGA hit is essential to get to see the band ...they need to seel a huge amont of albums over there to don't lose money touring in Australia (because if the distance mainly )


Thanks Sharon for this new vision of the situation (a realistic vision)
Or they can hook their coat tails onto a pop festival tour, RUMBA, with the likes of Shaggy, Sugababes, Pink, Taxi Ride, Liberty X and Bachelor Girl. Which doesn't help their image as a pop band (if that matters to anyone).

Australia did get a single show for the Crush tour, the Universal Appeal Concert, to raise money for Australia's volunteer firefighters. Also Australia got I think 3 45 minutes performances (RUMBA) at Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne, for the Bounce tour.

Althought the time of the set wasn't long, the ticket for RUMBA only cost A$96. And you got to see Bon Jovi, the hotties from the Sugababes, an awful Pink, a cool and shaggy Shaggy, and some other good acts.
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Or they can hook their coat tails onto a pop festival tour, RUMBA, with the likes of Shaggy, Sugababes, Pink, Taxi Ride, Liberty X and Bachelor Girl. Which doesn't help their image as a pop band (if that matters to anyone).
They hook themselves to another 'pop festival' here Rosscoe, and I'm going to hook myself to a tank of Hahn light. ["gimme me something for the pain..."]

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A CD can be great quality music and sell only 2000 copies. Of course, selling well means that many people liked (a) song(s) well enough to buy the CD. Really, who's to say if music is good or bad--there's music you like and music you don't and no single person can determine what's "good" to anyone but themselves.

What selling well does for an act is enable them to tour. If the band is in demand, then venues will book them and the record company will help back the tour. As we've seen with Richie, if the CD doesn't sell, then he doesn't get to do a full fledged tour. There's the circle then--people who go to the shows are more likely to go out and buy the CDs.

So, it's not necessary for fans like us that a CD sell well because we'll get it anyway, but it's more likely to lead to more touring in more markets if it sells well.

Becky
selling well means that there was a HUGE PROMOTIONAL WORK BESIDES
THE ALBUM.....
It's kinda true most of the time but not always .. i think the band did a HUGE promo for Bounce and it didn't sell well .. maybe I am wrong about the big promo for Bounce but i do think it was done quite huge in the USA especially but the sales didn't follow the massive promotion
Actually bounce hasn't sold bad world wide... because what i have heard bon jovi's sales after Crush and OWN was something like 92 - 93 millions, which makes bounce a multiplatinum cd...
And if bounce only has sold something like 3 millions world wide... what the hell happend to the other four million? it's not likely that SWW, NJ and all the other albums have sold 4 million copies during latest 4 years!!

But of course... I might be wrong!
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A CD can be great quality music and sell only 2000 copies. Of course, selling well means that many people liked (a) song(s) well enough to buy the CD. Really, who's to say if music is good or bad--there's music you like and music you don't and no single person can determine what's "good" to anyone but themselves.

What selling well does for an act is enable them to tour. If the band is in demand, then venues will book them and the record company will help back the tour. As we've seen with Richie, if the CD doesn't sell, then he doesn't get to do a full fledged tour. There's the circle then--people who go to the shows are more likely to go out and buy the CDs.

So, it's not necessary for fans like us that a CD sell well because we'll get it anyway, but it's more likely to lead to more touring in more markets if it sells well.

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selling well means that there was a HUGE PROMOTIONAL WORK BESIDES
THE ALBUM.....
It's kinda true most of the time but not always .. i think the band did a HUGE promo for Bounce and it didn't sell well .. maybe I am wrong about the big promo for Bounce but i do think it was done quite huge in the USA especially but the sales didn't follow the massive promotion
Actually bounce hasn't sold bad world wide... because what i have heard bon jovi's sales after Crush and OWN was something like 92 - 93 millions, which makes bounce a multiplatinum cd...
And if bounce only has sold something like 3 millions world wide... what the hell happend to the other four million? it's not likely that SWW, NJ and all the other albums have sold 4 million copies during latest 4 years!!

But of course... I might be wrong!
I think Bounce did a respectable sales worldwide but the usa sales were not very good compare to the amont of promotion they did ....but I might be wrong too it looks like there is 2 bon jovi .. one international band one usa band ....
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