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Old 05-13-2013, 05:18 AM
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I think they've found a middle ground tbh. I wouldn't really consider either them, or U2 nostalgia, whether that last record was a hit or not, they still incorporate as much as they can/works in the live setting, there's still a lot of recent stuff being played (granted, if you can consider relying heavily on LH to fill out the set nostalgia then I can see why that may be an obvious pick). Yes, their older material is obviously the bigger factor of getting tickets to their shows sold, but their recent material is still getting more attention than most acts coming from their era....
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Somewhat. But they think they are not, and I hope they would be and embrace it totally.
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I don't think so. Keep in mind that among a lot of fans, especially the younger ones, It's My Life is perhaps their most well known song, much more so than I'll Be There For You, Bad Medicine, Keep the Faith, Wanted, and even Bad Name. In my mind that song prevented them from being a nostalgia act like Journey, REO Speedwagon, etc.
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I don't think so. Keep in mind that among a lot of fans, especially the younger ones, It's My Life is perhaps their most well known song, much more so than I'll Be There For You, Bad Medicine, Keep the Faith, Wanted, and even Bad Name. In my mind that song prevented them from being a nostalgia act like Journey, REO Speedwagon, etc.
It's My Life is 13 years OLD. They are a nostalgia band now. Their records no longer reach new audiences. People go to their shows for the old classics. Each new tour is pretty much a Greastest Hits tour now. Pure nostalgia. The problem is, the band (and some of the fans) have a hard time admitting it.
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Of course Bon Jovi is a nostalgia act. Except the songs from their latest album, 90% of the songs on the setlists have been released as singles... It is all about playing their most known songs to please the casual fans... no room for die hards...
Now it's just about surviving and being biggest touring act till they are in the age of Rolling Stones... and then Jon can compare himself to Jagger....

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Cant be avoided that they play their hits, as long as they play(and release) new songs, it aint a nostalgia act?

Bon Jovi aint Guns N Roses.
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I'm not attacking anyone, could people who said a convincing "yes" to this question, provide an example of an artist with Bon Jovi logenvity that according to them is not a nostalgia act? That still has hits today, that is gaining new fans with new material, and draws people to concerts with not only old hits, but new stuff as well?

Really, an honest question. Cause once again, if everybody past their 50s is automatically a nostalgia act, then this 'term' makes no sense IMO.
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I'm not attacking anyone, could people who said a convincing "yes" to this question, provide an example of an artist with Bon Jovi logenvity that according to them is not a nostalgia act? That still has hits today, that is gaining new fans with new material, and draws people to concerts with not only old hits, but new stuff as well?

Really, an honest question. Cause once again, if everybody past their 50s is automatically a nostalgia act, then this 'term' makes no sense IMO.
That's a totally different question... The answer doesn't actually prove whether the term is relevant or not, but it is; plain and simple. Some people just don't want to accept it.

I've said this elsewhere but everyone keeps asking the same questions but dressing them up *slightly* differently - to measure relevance you have to put them up against relevant music, not their peers. The argument isn't 'are they more relevant than Def Leppard'; that's like saying 'Your mum is smokin' hot for her age... ' Great. But that doesn't mean she should go clubbing with your sister in a mini skirt and grind with 18 year-olds...

That leads on to maturing. Some say that's what Bon Jovi have done, that's what the new music is about.

I would argue that music is about stages in a career. Jon is trying to be relevant to the wrong audience and missing the point that he already has a HUGE back catalogue of songs that are relevant to millions and always will be, because they came about when he WAS Bieber, when he WAS Timberlake. So embrace that.

I don't think it's something to be ashamed of, for the band or their fans. To not be a 'nostalgia' or 'legacy' act you have to have had songs that stand the test of time and you have to make sure you don't burn out, or p*ss on that legacy. This is where they are making a mistake right now, in my opinion. The new songs will not stand the test of time because it's Jon trying to emulate something that doesn't seem to come naturally to him. It's a band that aren't desperate or hungry any more. Consequently, their middle of the road, ploddy output is starting to crowd the set... Who Says, WLOL, LH, Water, Born To Follow, Crash, BWC, WAN, ILTT... to name but a few. The party band are starting to slow to a gentle jog. I know, I wasn't at the last show, it was amazing etc etc... great. I might not have been there but I can bet it wasn't foot to the floor, full throttle, Jon dripping in sweat, covering the whole stage kinda sh*t... this isn't that and he's not to old to deliver it... another topic, another time, all been said.

The fact is, to be a touring colossus after 30 years should be enough for Jon, it's a helluva lot more than most artists will ever get. He wants to sell out the desert and please everyone but he seems to mostly be pleasing himself at the moment.

Let's face it, this conversation wouldn't be taking place for the 24th time in two months if the album had been any good.
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When your biggest, most well known song is off an album released in 1986, by default you are something of a nostalgia act. The difference, and where Bon Jovi are slightly different to their peers, is that they went on to release arguably their second most well known song in 2000. It is this that puts them in a separate, almost unique position along with the likes of U2 and Springsteen.

GNR, Def Leppard, Aerosmith etc havn't had a single since 2000 that has become an integral part of their catalogue, recognized by the most casual of music listeners. Thus people brand them a nostalgia act despite releasing new material.

Had 'Its My Life' not relaunched them into the mainstream and had 'Who Says' not crossed into the country charts I don't think you could argue that they weren't a nostalgia act. But because of these two events I believe they are in a very select group of acts which are simply huge rock touring behemoths.
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That's a totally different question... The answer doesn't actually prove whether the term is relevant or not, but it is; plain and simple. Some people just don't want to accept it.

I've said this elsewhere but everyone keeps asking the same questions but dressing them up *slightly* differently - to measure relevance you have to put them up against relevant music, not their peers. The argument isn't 'are they more relevant than Def Leppard'; that's like saying 'Your mum is smokin' hot for her age... ' Great. But that doesn't mean she should go clubbing with your sister in a mini skirt and grind with 18 year-olds...

That leads on to maturing. Some say that's what Bon Jovi have done, that's what the new music is about.

I would argue that music is about stages in a career. Jon is trying to be relevant to the wrong audience and missing the point that he already has a HUGE back catalogue of songs that are relevant to millions and always will be, because they came about when he WAS Bieber, when he WAS Timberlake. So embrace that.

I don't think it's something to be ashamed of, for the band or their fans. To not be a 'nostalgia' or 'legacy' act you have to have had songs that stand the test of time and you have to make sure you don't burn out, or p*ss on that legacy. This is where they are making a mistake right now, in my opinion. The new songs will not stand the test of time because it's Jon trying to emulate something that doesn't seem to come naturally to him. It's a band that aren't desperate or hungry any more. Consequently, their middle of the road, ploddy output is starting to crowd the set... Who Says, WLOL, LH, Water, Born To Follow, Crash, BWC, WAN, ILTT... to name but a few. The party band are starting to slow to a gentle jog. I know, I wasn't at the last show, it was amazing etc etc... great. I might not have been there but I can bet it wasn't foot to the floor, full throttle, Jon dripping in sweat, covering the whole stage kinda sh*t... this isn't that and he's not to old to deliver it... another topic, another time, all been said.

The fact is, to be a touring colossus after 30 years should be enough for Jon, it's a helluva lot more than most artists will ever get. He wants to sell out the desert and please everyone but he seems to mostly be pleasing himself at the moment.

Let's face it, this conversation wouldn't be taking place for the 24th time in two months if the album had been any good.
Whether the album was any good or not - no matter what your opinion on it - really doesn't matter because they could have released the masterpiece of their career and it still wouldn't sell in this music market. So the question is, is that what then makes you a nostalgia act? If it is then every artist that has ever been or ever will be, will eventually become nostalgia because once they reach a certain age their not going to be selling records to new fans any more only established ones.
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