It's time to tune down a hole tone Jon

Originally Posted by Irakli

I believe in Amsterdam during the HAND tour they tuned down a whole step for Last Man Standing. It sounds too flat in my opinion.

Here is the video from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGsEo8vyKJs

notice that Richie isn't using a capo on the first fret as they do on all the other LMS performances. If I remember correctly this is one of the first shows where they played LMS and seems like they were just testing out the song in that particular key. Only confusion is...if they tune down half a step when playing this song live what is the point of using a capo? I'm assuming that they tune the actual guitar down a whole step and then just put the capo on the first thus making the guitar half a step lower. I would guess that they recorded the song the capo was used in original tuning and just left it live except tuned down the guitar itself which would not force richie to move up the finger positions.

Maybe someone can clear this up for me.

Originally Posted by TheseDaysEra

once again, for the third time: I said they should do it in SOME songs, not all of them. LMS is a good example of misusing the technique of lowering down too much. they could have played it in the regular key or even just a half tone down. but dry county, always, these days... they could use a whole tone detune. and I stand by my opinion.

Originally Posted by bratlugs

In Amsterdam LMS was played a tone and a half down. I agree, far too flat! Normally, like every other show where LMS was played, Richie's guitar was tuned down a half step. The capo was then still put on the second fret. In Amsterdam however, his guitar was still tuned down a half step but with no capo, effectively making it tuned down a tone and a half. Obviously, because of the open D string in the riff, he had to change his fingering too. On the record with the capo on 2nd, the open D became the open E. Normal live LMS, half step tuned down with capo on 2nd, open D became an Eb; Amsterdam tuning, half step tuned down, no capo, open D became a C#.

So E on the record became a C# in Amsterdam, 3 semitones down. Shite.

I think Gav'll back me up on that setup. Won't you Gav

Dave

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

I'll see what I can find. It was around the time of 2002 they changed it, and it's since been changed back when they brought the electric version back this tour. Where the normal version starts with F, it starts with E. I'll look around. Pretty much any youtube vid of the song from 2002ish until 2007 has it.

Originally Posted by Bang A Drum

From 05-07 didn't they just stick with the TLFR version?