It's time to tune down a hole tone Jon

bed of roses and in these arms ? any videos of it ?

Aloha !

When Bed Of Roses is played acoustic it's played in A. This is probably done because the chords are easier, it's easier to go from A to E than it is to go from Bb to F.

In These Arms has been in D since 1996. The only time they played the original album version was on the Keep The Faith tour. Apart from those performances every performance of In These Arms since 1996 has been tuned down a whole tone.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Always from Wembley '95 was only a semitone lower, the same as the more recent LH performances.

No it isn't, it's played in E. Just because a song starts on a particular chord it doesn't mean that's what key it's in. Bed of Roses is in F major; live, in E major. The first chord is Bb meaning live it's A. In fact it's not even Bb but it's most closely related to it. Also, it's easier to go from A to E than it is to go from Bb to F? The fingering doesn't change when the key does; the instrument is tuned down.

Dave

A weak link?

Come on even now there's not many big name acts out there that can sing as well as Jon.

Bono sounded terrible on 90% of the tunes u2 did at both concerts I was at whereas Jon maybe hits a bum not our runs out of breathe once in a while.

He might not have the voice he had in the 80s but you'll be hard pushed to find anyone that does so expecting or demanding it is just stupid.

Aloha !

Sorry, I mixed a few things up. Bed Of Roses originally is in F major, live it's in E major because it's tuned down. They still play the arrangement of the original version.

However, when the band play the song acoustic (As in real acoustic, not TLFR acoustic) they have their guitars tuned half a step down and start the song in A, meaning it's actually in G# instead of F. Jon strums the A and E chords instead of the Bb and F chords, which is why I say it's easier to play for him. Playing the original chords on an acoustic guitar can be a bit of a bitch, unless they'd use a capo. Which they don't.

I hope you get what I'm saying. They don't play the same arrangement acoustic when they do it electric. Acoustic they play different chords.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I disagree. I think most rock acts now have way better vocals than Jon. This is also subjective because Bon Jovi songs are hard to sing. But I do think most rock vocalists can at least pronounce words properly and sing with a bit of power and rock edge which Jon can't anymore.

Bono is not that great anymore, I agree.

I don't expect him to scream his head off hitting insane high notes like he did in the 80s. In fact I think he never should have been doing stuff like that. It's his voice and singing style in the early to mid 90s which he should have maintained.

Don't take it the wrong way. I fully acknowledge that he is the key driving force behind the band and writes a lot of good songs. All I said is that he has become the weak link at live performances. I think the other members of the band have maintained high standards live over 25 years while Jon has slipped, maybe Tico is a bit less energetic as well. But for example if you compare Jon and Richie. Put Richie in disguise, send him to some underground gig and ask him to play - there's no doubt he could steal the show without needing to be recognised. On the other hand the way Jon generally sings these days he would impress nobody if he was not recognised.

My first viewing of a Bon Jovi concert was the Crush tour in Switzerland, on VHS. It was devastating for me to watch that because I watched it expecting good vocals.

Does anyone thing that maybe the fact that the constant touring in 80's involving steroid shots into his vocals had a slight long term effect on him? The damage is done!

I can't believe Rocky doesn't have the same build that he once had in Rocky 4. Nolan Ryan still can't throw a 100 MPH fastball at age 60?

Come on people, the guy is approaching 50. He's not gonna sing like he did when he was 20 or 30. He was 33/34/35 when These Days came out. 15 years ago.

If he had to, he could probably put out an album with the high notes but then he couldn't tour it. And he would never do that to his fans.

#1 album. Grammy Nomination. Good for him at his age and this point in his career. And I don't think the music is all that bad. It's a little safe but so what. He's still going.

Trust me. No one out there is still singing that same way after 26 years, age 50. You're just his fans and paying particular attention to him.

Axl - Shot
Vince Neil - Shot
Whitney Houston - Shot (just heard her new song on the AMAs)
Bruce - Not the same - Kind of in Jon's category but never hit the same high notes in the early years
And the list goes on

Yep, Sebs right. It's half a step down per usual, plus different chords. I could have sworn the electric version was like this too but no video I've seen today supports that. Weird.

I though that it is normal to play halfstep lower live - I heard that it is the typical procedure that every artist do. And I also heard that they use different strings live etc.
Am I right or do I confuse?