JBJ has had vocal Surgery

The problem is the standards have dropped so low that we are now saying that 2017-2019 wasn't so bad! Go back and read threads from the board from back then - we were saying the same things about his voice being done even then. It's just that after 2022 it now seems acceptable, but it wasn't by any means. It was awful.

I could absolutely live with Jon sounding like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QrAZZ...b3duIDIwMTg%3D

Sure it isn’t ideal, but it’s certainly not so awful that one can’t listen to it either.

I guess you better revisit some stuff from especially the North American leg of spring 2018. Sure, Jon was still butchering some of the mid-range songs, out of the higher ones These Days was painful, but listening to his overall vocal level and especially watching him as a frontman, the quality difference between stuff like this and even the best European shows of 2019, let alone beyond that, is so big it literally hurts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aASb0u...b3duIDIwMTg%3D

This Jon wasn’t my favorite version of him, but I still liked the guy and could enjoy his performances back then when he really put effort onto his delivery. The current one I can barely listen to, he struggles to even talk, let alone sing.


EDIT: Holy shit, that LYHOM is GOOD :O

And there is my point. That is not acceptable standards. Sure, he had some good nights, and some really bad nights, but overall it was extremely poor compared to what came before. Picking one decent-ish performace out of hundreds of terrible ones means nothing. My point is there were clearly vocal issues during 2017 - 2019 and it blows my mind that people are now trying to say that this kind of standard was ok. The only thing that makes this acceptable is 2022.

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That performance is shit, not a line in key and not a sentence finished in time. But sure, if you constantly alter your standards by what came next, then every performance will eventually satisfy your needs.

Jon Bon Jovi should've realized after the Asian tour in 2015 that his vocals had taken a serious hit. Instead, 3 years later he went on a massive world tour supporting an album no one cared for as some shady vanity project to prove himself that he still had it despite Richie's abscence. The greed in 2012 started it but the ego finished whatever was left of his voice.

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Sebastiaan

Some don't seem to remember we're talking about a professional singer here and yet, almost all performances in the last ten years, you could've heard better in a karaoke bar down the street.
We've gone from comparing Jon to the top tier of singers to excusing performances by "sure it's not that good but singer x also still tours and sounds worse".

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My point exactly. It’s been a pattern here since I’ve joined this board: every time his voice deteriorates further, the standards for what is acceptable go down as well. To me, his tone at the end of the 2013 tour was already touching on unbearable. It has gotten worse year after year since then, to the point where he was indeed ripping people off (2022 tour). The concrete proof of that pattern is stated in the examples posted in this thread: he is completely out of key and tempo, yet that’s now considered “I’m happy with that.” If this goes on, in a few years he will be using Stephen Hawking’s computer to sing and people here will say: “oh I was so happy with his voice in 2022.”

I’m not saying that he was ripping people off before 2022, I’m saying that he milked the fans for every dime he could. Why is he only now saying that if he can’t be great singing live then he’s out, even though he knows that he hasn’t been great since 2011 ? Is he not contradicting himself ? It was his choice to say that, so now he’s faced with that question mark.

I also don’t get that “oh but he hit that note” comments. He butchers almost every song every night, then he hits a note or two, and all of a sudden he’s good again ?

Once again, I feel sad with the whole situation. Bon Jovi is my favorite band by a mile, and I really wish that things didn’t take this path. But I can’t disregard the fact that business has been way more important than the music for a long time now (yes, it is for every band, but I have the feeling that the balance is lost with Jon).

Cheers

Eduardo


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That's awful. 2013 is the last time he sounded acceptable. He was noticeably worse on that tour compared to previous ones, but it was still JBJ.

In terms of ”the old” JBJ, I agree. Just revisited this Prayer performance from Philadelphia 2013, and while this definitely wasn’t prime era Jon anymore either, compared to today it’s f**king incredible, sadly…

https://youtu.be/am3J9a8OlgI?si=BFcToOP2YPGHq8Oy

Oh Hell Yes, standards have dropped. Look, there are the "fantasy posters" and the "reality posters". Sure, I'd love for Jon to go back to 2013 but that's just NOT happening.

Jon left off in 2022 and now he has to go in reverse. He sounded decent on Who Says but not great by any means on the New Song so "REALISTICALLY" speaking (NOT FANTASY), I think there are 3 options...

1. Staying EXACTLY where he was when he left off in '22
2. Getting worse
3. Getting slightly better

We all heard the Orlando show 3 months ago so having low expectations and hoping Jon can reverse back to 2017-2018 with some positive tweaks like keeping up with songs, not skipping words, and/or pronouncing lyrics how they are intended to sound, would be a tremendous improvement from a "REALISIST" point of view... If I have to read one more post from people hoping for 2013 and beyond, I'm going to puke.

Jon is 62, not 45 to 51. He had Major vocal surgery and has a documentary coming out saying "Thank You, Goodnight" and you are all hoping for a world tour like in 2011... HAHAHHAHAHAHA