JBJ has had vocal Surgery

Oh I figured haha. There's no way in h.e.l.l. this is true.

This is what worries me. We haven't even got to the documentary yet and there's already so much bull coming from Jon. There's no way he's suddenly going to be unguarded and honest for the documentary. It's just not in his nature...

jon tends to strech the truth to fit his narative BUT he must have been in denial nevertheless, thinking it was passable, ok but not great. This can be a defensive mechanism in order to avoid facing a hard truth or a fear.
I think jon is in much better spirits these days because he felt liberated by admitting the truth.
Its not that everyone beside him in the band lied to him, he probably didnt gave them the space to address the whole situation about his voice breaking down completely.

I wonder how these conversations went (within the band). It was pretty obvious that the more Jon’s vocals declined the louder the backing vocals got and the more they buried him deep in the mix. So at some point he must have addressed that. The same with the tuning in the 22 “tour”.


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i ve seen another interview and everyone focus onto Richies return or not...
Jon wants to celebrate the 40 anniversary underlining they kept moving forward and never looking back or quitting but i think the narrative will soon change since the press insists on the Richie subject more than anything else...
in a recent interview the interviewer insisted if the door is open and jon said sure, telling his side of the story once more...
My take on this, after all these years...jon has some negatives feelings about all this and tries to hide it..he decides to answer the question about Richie like it was a previous chapter and since moved on.. i believe though even if the centre point of the doc is the bands evolution and perseverence through the decades the public wants to know if there will be a happy ending...the vocal surgery is a selling point but the whole drama and the egos is also sth interesting and no matter how many times jon tells no animosity i dont think he is honest about that..
and since i ve been in that rabbit hole again i m gonna dare say that jon has some petty feelings about the whole situation and that wound has not fully healed.

He can't have it both ways. "It's a real band", "it's a band of brothers", claim the "Mick & Keith dynamic" and then dismiss his guitar player lol

Maybe the documentary will attract the attention of music journalists as opposed to People Magazine people, so people who will know & ask about the actual music instead of Jon's gray hair.

I feel like, the way Richie handled it was insane.

But I also get the feeling that if he had communicated to leave before the day after the show, Jon would talk him through. Jon doesn't take rejection well, just look at his relationship with Universal.

I still don't think that Richie just decided to leave the band that night, I think something had been building up to it, something had been going on behind the scences that has not yet been discussed in public. Richie wouldn't just walk out the night of a show for no good reason. It wasn't because his daughter needed him, it wasn't because of substace abuse, it wasn't because he needed a break from touring. While all those things probably had a part to play, I don't believe that any of those were the straw that broke the camel's back. There was more to it than that, and we may never know the truth. But I think things just escalated for whatever reason between Jon and Richie that Richie was just done at that point.

Richie basically had to cut the promo for his solo album short to do a band album nobody wanted to do. Then, off to tour it was. Honestly, as disrespectful as Richie not "showing up to work" was, Jon just deciding that he needed some extra cash for a football team was just as disrespectful given the circumstances. God knows that album wasn't done out of artistic urgency. This also gives a different flair to Jon's "I think he has a solo career" comments.

People on here were speculating that when Jon's daughter overdosed, Jon said some insensitive shit about Richie. Supposedly he made gestures during interviews implying that Richie drank heavily and used drugs. I think all of this can be true - Richie wasn't acting very professional, and Jon wasn't acting very considerate for Richie's solo record. Eventually, they clashed.

Who was more of an idiot in the situation, I don't think we'll ever be able to 100% tell. We'd need a lot more details than we're ever gonna get. Time has shown that Richie works better when kept on a shorter leash, and that BJ write better songs when Richie is in the band. It's lose/lose, and egos keep it that way. At this point, I'd assume Jon's the one not allowing for a reunion. 100%. Whether Richie is willing to do what it'd take for him to be fit to tour the world for months with a professional band, I don't know.

I agree with this perspective. In the end it's complicated, Jon in those years was on a record high in terms of ego. Enough would be to see WWWB documentary. Having in mind Richie's problems then and the fact that Jon already had Phil in 2011 as replacement (and on paid retainer), and with how Jon probably was obnoxious in years of succesive record selling No. 1 tours (and No. 1 albums), with addition to rushing album and tour for buying a football team, I can see that Richie just checked out. Did he thought it out completely? Was it completely rational? For sure no. But it kind of makes sense.

Everything after that is manufactured post hoc. Jon has rationalized it as not his fault but "Richie bailed", as did nominally the rest of the band. But, Jon's behaviour those years was evidently toxic, even to general public. Since then, Jon did change rather significantly I would say, but due to different reasons (voice and aging basically, accepting the tempo needs to slow down). However, I do think that Jon irrationally blames Richie's exit on his own downfall, which is bull to be honest. But provides easy scapegoat for Jon, not only in public but for himself privately