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Old 02-09-2024, 11:04 AM
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I respect Jon today more than ever for,finally,recognizing in public the problem.
Touring like if nothing was happening like the mini tour in 22 was not the way to follow.
I agree, and I'll probably get some stick for this, but I'm not as forgiving as most people here. He knows that secret it out after the 2022 tour about voice and it forced his hand to come clean about it and I believe that tour is what made him make the decision to get the op.

At the same time, this whole "If I can't be great, I'm out" thing - he went out in 2022 knowing that he could barely sing. And numerous tours before that when he knew he was far from "great". So if the above was true, he would have been out a long time ago. I think he has no choice because of all the negative press from the 2022 tour. I'm not saying it's not hard for the guy, and I do feel for him, but you have to remember that he's spinning it to suit him, as always. It certainly makes for good press before the documentary comes out....
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Old 02-09-2024, 11:26 AM
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This is what I'm thinking. Album in June, Documentary in April, Backstage site updating as it goes and then fall/winter it's box set time.
Yep.

Bon Jovi released the 2004 Box Set in November, the Greatest Hits compilations it also coincided with the beginning of autumn/winter.

You can't release a new album and a box set at the same time, so my bet is that we will have a lot of strange things (Pre-production Studio. alternative takes, rough mix, live tracks...) on the web in digital format to buy.... but aslo we will get the polished and great-sounding unreleased songs in the new Box Set in physical/digital format at the end of the year, with probably some dvd/bluray of unreleased material that was not used in the documentary.
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Old 02-09-2024, 11:27 AM
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At least from July 2019 onwards he's been in a state where his inability to sing anything properly has ruined every single show he's performed. I'd say the North American leg in the spring of 2018 was the last time he could get away with his vocals, because compared to what came later they weren't really that bad yet. From Australia 2018 onwards he's been struggling like crazy every time he's opened his mouth, after Düsseldorf 2019 he hasn't been able to sing literally anything at all, and now's the time he's coming out saying "if he can't be GREAT, he's out"?

Dude, the last time you were great was around here... almost 11 YEARS AGO.


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Old 02-09-2024, 11:35 AM
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At least from July 2019 onwards he's been in a state where his inability to sing anything properly has ruined every single show he's performed. I'd say the North American leg in the spring of 2018 was the last time he could get away with his vocals, because compared to what came later they weren't really that bad yet. From Australia 2018 onwards he's been struggling like crazy every time he's opened his mouth, after Düsseldorf 2019 he hasn't been able to sing literally anything at all, and now's the time he's coming out saying "if he can't be GREAT, he's out"?

Dude, the last time you were great was around Prague 2013...

Bon Jovi - 24.06.2013 Prague, Czech Republic - complete recording in full HD quality - YouTube
If you think that Jon is not going to do a tour, you are very naïve. The money is in live shows today, and Jon knows it.

He also knows that he is discovered and cannot deceive people as easily as before, that is where the documentary comes in to balance things a little, and make people feel empathy, nostalgia, and that he still deserves another chance it does not matter what. .

I feel like this is calculated. But it's okay, I can understand, now the records are no longer the source of income and they need a new trick.

There will be a tour, I'm very sure of that.
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Old 02-09-2024, 02:11 PM
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If you think that Jon is not going to do a tour, you are very naïve. The money is in live shows today, and Jon knows it.

He also knows that he is discovered and cannot deceive people as easily as before, that is where the documentary comes in to balance things a little, and make people feel empathy, nostalgia, and that he still deserves another chance it does not matter what. .

I feel like this is calculated. But it's okay, I can understand, now the records are no longer the source of income and they need a new trick.

There will be a tour, I'm very sure of that.
The more I think about it, the more I'm trying to figure out how much of this is all part of the promotion for what's to come. Jon knew that question was coming about his voice and Bon Jovi's future so I'm sure saying the Documentary title the way he did was a way to promote it.

I find it hard to believe that he would go through this much effort to repair himself and then say, okay I'm done... Surgery and rehab were a must but he's also gearing up for a tour... I'm sure he has fears as to how much he should push his repaired voice so I think that's weighing on him... Too bad he can't go back and rerecord the last 3 albums. Regardless, I don't necessarily think the end is coming per say. Maybe just a different form of the band. He waited 4 years between albums / tours so he could continue to be a band for 4 years after the album & tour to make a final decision. It doesn't necessarily need to be a final Goodbye now.
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Old 02-09-2024, 02:21 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I'm trying to figure out how much of this is all part of the promotion for what's to come. Jon knew that question was coming about his voice and Bon Jovi's future so I'm sure saying the Documentary title the way he did was a way to promote it.
I think you're spot on.

Don't get me wrong: I think it's tough for Jon, I think he has suffered a lot and that it isn't easy for him at all.
But the point in time as well as the setting seem very staged to me. I didn't doublecheck but someone wrote that the interviewer is Jesse's soon-to-be-father-in-law. So it's no random journalist asking questions but someone of the extended BJ-universe. Watching that interview I am convinced that Jon knew exactly which questions were to come. He didn't looked surprised or in the need to even think about what he was going to answer. He was prepared what to say and how to say it.

So once again, I'm sure it's difficult for him and I feel with him considering the loss of his instrument. But right know he tries to make the most use out of that situation.
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Old 02-09-2024, 06:55 PM
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I think you're spot on.

Don't get me wrong: I think it's tough for Jon, I think he has suffered a lot and that it isn't easy for him at all.
But the point in time as well as the setting seem very staged to me. I didn't doublecheck but someone wrote that the interviewer is Jesse's soon-to-be-father-in-law. So it's no random journalist asking questions but someone of the extended BJ-universe. Watching that interview I am convinced that Jon knew exactly which questions were to come. He didn't looked surprised or in the need to even think about what he was going to answer. He was prepared what to say and how to say it.

So once again, I'm sure it's difficult for him and I feel with him considering the loss of his instrument. But right know he tries to make the most use out of that situation.
A lot of times bands have used very real hardships as a form of promotion for whatever the next point moving forward is. As long as it's not exploiting the death of a former member or airing dirty laundry in public then I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Is it a bit calculated? Yes. Does it make it any less real? No.

With that said, I am sure that no one is ever going to ask him if how Does it feel to go out with 10% of his voice and still charge full price for tickets on the 2022 tour?....
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Old 02-09-2024, 07:05 PM
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A lot of times bands have used very real hardships as a form of promotion for whatever the next point moving forward is. As long as it's not exploiting the death of a former member or airing dirty laundry in public then I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Is it a bit calculated? Yes. Does it make it any less real? No.
Yes. Because this is as much of an interview as Tucker Carlson interviewing Putin. There's nothing real about it, it's all what Jon wants to bring out in a safe environment, protecting the bubble he's created for himself just so he can spout off the same "I work hard and stayed true to myself" nonsense.

Jon has always complained how the serious press would never do serious interviews with him. Meanwhile though, he's always selected safe places to get interviewed just so no one would press him on the harder issues in his career and the more questionable decisions he's made.

As cruel as the failing voice might be, he's done several world tours for which he's charged obscene amounts of money while being fully aware he "couldn't be great" all while damaging his voice even further. Right from the start of his career his voice has always been an issue and yet he's constantly refused to take action and booked show after show, tour after tour because "he doesn't need the adoration or money".

So yes, nothing about this is real. It's the same superficial side of Jon Bon Jovi like it's always been. He just needs to sell a brand again and can be a little bit more honest because he knows he can't tour anyway with a voice that's ****ed, so there's a lot less to lose.

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Old 02-10-2024, 01:16 PM
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i find it weird that we try to bash the band with every opportunity...

2024 seems to be a year full of Bj goodies for all tastes and it seems really promising and we complain about high prices and jons vocal performance in music cares if it was good bad or semi good...

Bon jovi started 40-45 years back, they ve seen many things and survived all that...sorry for my rant here but some posts sound like spoiled little brats who simply cant be satisfied, and this is not a direct blow to someone in particular but a rction to all the negativity in here...sth good or at least promising happens and some people must either be little it or "attack" on other people enthousiasm for being naive and not as negative as them...
(we are in a site of a band who didnt have a hit in 20 years...if you werent a diehard and a romantic you d all moved on long long ago...)

Anyway, what i m trying to say i cant stand comments about why jon didnt did the operation years back etc like there is a 100 % success, being entitled and think you know better for the others guy own life and choices...
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